# Ok, so what the hell happened in Germany in NYE? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 8, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538 "2016-01-08T23:28:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/741 "2016-02-04T18:31:55Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > But what if that fire swerves left and threatens an orphanage, or right and threatens a panda farm! What then? And why won’t anyone consider the poor orphan pandas! How many refugees you going to house? How many checks you write? ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/742 "2016-02-04T18:41:53Z")
Muslims immigrants are a forest fire. You can fight fire with fire. So bring in more Muslims of a different sect. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/743 "2016-02-04T18:44:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How many refugees you going to house? How many checks you write? It’s always funny how people who say this stuff don’t realize how monumentally stupid it is. If you agreed with some military spending do you think it would be a valid rejoinder for me to cry “How many jets are you going to build? How many are you going to keep in your garage?” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/744 "2016-02-04T19:14:43Z")
They’ll let me have one? With like, rockets and stuff? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/745 "2016-02-04T19:19:32Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It’s always funny how people who say this stuff don’t realize how monumentally stupid it is. If you agreed with some military spending do you think it would be a valid rejoinder for me to cry “How many jets are you going to build? How many are you going to keep in your garage?” I’ll take a jet. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/746 "2016-02-04T19:48:15Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How many refugees you going to house? How many checks you write? And how many children do I teach, or sick people do I heal… …why hang on, I just remembered that I’m a tax payer in a country with a support infrastructure that handily helps to provide housing for the homeless, welfare benefits, and other such things. Why gosh, it appears that I don’t actually have to house a migrant, in the same way that I don’t have to try to perform cancer surgery, or build a sewer network, even though I’m in favour of those facilities too. And why who’d believe it, but as a taxpayer who’s prepared to continue to pay into that support network, and even have to pay a bit more tax if necessary, I’m allowed to have an opinion on just who such benefits should be extended to. Isn’t a democratic, collectively funded society a wonderful fucking thing! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/747 "2016-02-04T20:14:37Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’ll take a jet. Can the pilot bunk up with you? Fair warning though, he’ll probably bang your wife. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/748 "2016-02-04T20:30:35Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > And how many children do I teach, or sick people do I heal… > > …why hang on, I just remembered that I’m a tax payer in a country with a support infrastructure that handily helps to provide housing for the homeless, welfare benefits, and other such things. Why gosh, it appears that I don’t actually have to house a migrant, in the same way that I don’t have to try to perform cancer surgery, or build a sewer network, even though I’m in favour of those facilities too. > > And why who’d believe it, but as a taxpayer who’s prepared to continue to pay into that support network, and even have to pay a bit more tax if necessary, I’m allowed to have an opinion on just who such benefits should be extended to. Isn’t a democratic, collectively funded society a wonderful fucking thing! Sure it is. When everyone agrees with YOUR point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/749 "2016-02-05T09:35:49Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > Be very careful I am one of the ugly ones:mad: You’re about [300 years too late](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal) with your outrage. > [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Let me guess. You think the only way to stop neo-nazis is to keep the immigrants out? It’s not the neo-Nazis’ fault they espouse horrible xenophobic policies and commit assaults on people of different nationalities and religions. They just can’t help it. See, it’s important to remember that when Muslims do bad things to non-Muslims it’s because they’re fundamentally evil people, but when non-Muslims do bad things to Muslims it’s because the Muslims \*made \*us do it and anyway it’s for their own good. > [@CarnalK](#): > > Can the pilot bunk up with you? Fair warning though, he’ll probably bang your wife. Eh. Whatever keeps her happy. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/750 "2016-02-05T13:49:00Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Sure it is. When everyone agrees with YOUR point of view. You really don’t get the way democracy works, do you? That whole “government by the people; especially rule of the majority” thing is just not sinking in. It means I don’t need everyone to agree with me, I need the majority of the voting population to do so. And it also means that if I believe in a course of action then arguing for your beliefs in a public forum is a good idea. So if, for example, one should stumble across a board where people are trying to push the idea that all muslims are a threat, why it’s a good idea to try to rebut it. And if you’re really, really lucky you’ll find that all you have to argue with are some Daily Mail cut & pastes, and someone who believes that “well if you like immigrants so much why don’t you house them” is a passable argument. HTH. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/751 "2016-02-06T10:53:25Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Or the EU will shrink down to the big guys and fewer, more compliant, little guys then become more earnest in their political union. There’s benefits to the union strengthening but to be truly solid they need more cohesion. They expanded too fast and brought together too disparate cultures and they need to have fewer little guys who need helping out during bad times. I think that the U.K will be the first to leave (I hope) to be followed by other northern EU countries, Hopefully the smaller group will be what we originally voted for, a common market not the federated states of Europe as some self interested people would like. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/752 "2016-02-06T11:39:10Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > I say that as though it doesn’t make sense, because it doesn’t make sense. > > As per all previously cited OECD/Oxford University/UCL/other studies, the UK has benefited massively from immigration, and continues to do so. Our predicted economic growth is underpinned purely by expected arrivals of people who will make this net positive difference. Just as well too, when you consider that absent of immigration we’re looking at an overwhelmingly aging population and decreasing birth rates. > > And this is hardly a recent trend. 1066 ring any bells? Care to dwell on the origins of the anglo-saxons? How’s the royal family’s lineage look to you. > > So, in your own time, why don’t you explain just why you think a pattern of behaviour that goes back over a thousand years and has consistently been of benefit to us requires to be stomped down by right wing policies? Yes controlled immigration can be beneficial to the U.K. but there has to be a ceiling controlled by the number of job vacancies (importing unemployment does not help anyone), housing we have a shortage with a waiting list,(we already have migrants sleeping rough) education we have a shortage of both schools and teachers, health the NHS is over stretched (disease such as TB which was eradicated in the U.K. have reappeared, some diseases that have not been seen in the U.K. before are now being diagnosed) I cannot support this with the so called proof as hospitals are not releasing details. I wonder why? We have no idea of the number of diseases being brought into Europe through uncontrolled mass migration, are we going to see a Ebola type virus sweep through Europe, it is a real threat that must be considered. It is time to consider the real implications of uncontrolled mas migration. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/753 "2016-02-06T11:55:17Z")
Uh, right, because UK citizens who travel to other locations couldn’t _possibly_ bring back new and exotic diseases… :rolleyes: It’s understandable that no European nation wants a million new people in just one year, but honestly, most of what you’re saying sounds like someone scared of foreigners No, a bunch of incoming Syrians are not going to bring ebola with them - the area of the world where ebola is indigenous is thousands of miles away from Syria, separated by, among other things besides sheer distance, the Sahara desert which is a pretty effective barrier. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/754 "2016-02-06T12:15:09Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > I’ve been reading on Reddit the situation of the attacks on women in Cologne and now it appears to have been organised in part by the very Asylum seekers that Germany took on, not only that, but it’s rumoured that the authorities tried to downplay the situation due to the sensitive nature of them being asylum seekers and refugees from Syria. > > [Reddit - Dive into anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/3zxxhi/reports_of_sexual_assaults_on_women_across/) > > I really don’t understand how someone has the mindset of coming to Germany, of who have the good graces to let them stay there, support them, and then think it’s alright to go around with a few others and organise attacks on women. > They’re pretty much handed the gauntlet to PEDIGA and the likes who warned of such things happening if the EU allowed millions of refugees to settle here. > > How do you destroy a mindset ingrained in a culture that has determined that if a woman dresses a certain way, that she is ‘Fair game?’ > > [Three Syrians arrested in Germany over alleged gang rape of two teenage girls on New Year’s Eve | The Independent | The Independent](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/three-syrians-arrested-in-germany-over-alleged-gang-rape-of-two-teenage-girls-on-new-year-s-eve-a6802001.html) This is a problem when you have a culture where woman and girls are subservient to men ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/755 "2016-02-06T12:26:06Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > This is a problem when you have a culture where woman and girls are subservient to men I’m so glad rape doesn’t exist in the US. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/756 "2016-02-06T12:47:37Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Uh, right, because UK citizens who travel to other locations couldn’t _possibly_ bring back new and exotic diseases… :rolleyes: > > It’s understandable that no European nation wants a million new people in just one year, but honestly, most of what you’re saying sounds like someone scared of foreigners > > No, a bunch of incoming Syrians are not going to bring ebola with them - the area of the world where ebola is indigenous is thousands of miles away from Syria, separated by, among other things besides sheer distance, the Sahara desert which is a pretty effective barrier. I was using Ebola as an example. We all know how infectious this disease is and how many thousands died. It has to be a consideration that a disease such as Ebola could cause a pandemic and this is the reason why migration should be controlled. The number of Syrian refugees among the migrants are a minority and this is why we should accept only refugees from the camps on the Syrian border where they can be registered and checked for health and ID. Scared of Foreigners? I used to work for a British company in Germany for four years and made many friends. I travel throughout Europe (where I consider myself to be the foreigner and I am definitely not scared of me) both on business and pleasure. In the U.K. my social mix is Russian, Mexican, French, German, Spanish etc. as well as a mixed bag of U.K. citizens. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/757 "2016-02-06T13:01:56Z")
[New Cologne gropings](http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/06/europe/cologne-reporter-groped/index.html) - live on camera, this time, and with white rather than Arab or North African perpetrators. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/758 "2016-02-06T13:03:38Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > I’m so glad rape doesn’t exist in the US. I am sorry moderator but the poster wants to do his homework before making such a stupid statement such as this it beggars belief. Under Sharia Law it is not unknown for a rape victim to be dragged before a court and sentenced to be imprisoned and flogged, if she is very unlucky her rapist will be a married man then she could be charged with adultery and beheaded or stoned to death according to local custom and the rapist stands a good chance of walking free as it is all the woman’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/759 "2016-02-06T13:09:25Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > [New Cologne gropings](http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/06/europe/cologne-reporter-groped/index.html) - live on camera, this time, and with white rather than Arab or North African perpetrators. She got a kiss on the cheek and she said it was the custom at this time of year ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/760 "2016-02-06T13:15:27Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > I am sorry moderator but the poster wants to do his homework before making such a stupid statement such as this it beggars belief. Under Sharia Law it is not unknown for a rape victim to be dragged before a court and sentenced to be imprisoned and flogged, if she is very unlucky her rapist will be a married man then she could be charged with adultery and beheaded or stoned to death according to local custom and the rapist stands a good chance of walking free as it is all the woman’s fault. That has nothing to do with the article you linked to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538.md?page=39)