# Ok, so what the hell happened in Germany in NYE? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 8, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538 "2016-01-08T23:28:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/161 "2016-01-09T22:41:19Z")
> [@Donnerwetter](#): > > Qatar, the United Arab Emirates or Bahrain (which are also very nice places and warmer in the winter). Haha. and unliveable outside of the air conditioning in the summer time that is most of the year… weather comparison is stupid. of course non of the Gulf countries let in very many foreigners they think may stay. But the Gulf countries are tribal agglomerations that are not real countries. Aroubi. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/162 "2016-01-09T22:44:27Z")
> [@Donnerwetter](#): > > Just curious: What sort of clothing would that be? Anything topless. Completely ok for men, can easily get me fined or jailed. But nobody but the breastfeeding activists is worried about how brainwashed and oppressed I am. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/163 "2016-01-09T22:46:52Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > God in English. > > So I see this comes from the same understanding where you write nonsense about clothing. If you are going to get upset that I used “Allah” rather that “God”…well this conversation is over. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/164 "2016-01-09T22:48:03Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Anything topless. Completely ok for men, can easily get me fined or jailed. But nobody but the breastfeeding activists is worried about how brainwashed and oppressed I am. I see plenty of no shoes, no shirt, no service signs around these here parts. And I don’t think it is aimed at pretty breastississss ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/165 "2016-01-09T22:50:42Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > If you are going to get upset that I used “Allah” rather that “God”…well this conversation is over. Upset, no I note how puerile the word changing demarche is, the infantile game. > [@](#): > > Secondly, you got the wrong poster with that second comment. No you are the poster writing idiotic and ignorant things about women being jailed for wearing the wrong things. (and equally infantile an puerile responses to even sven - of course no service signs are not the same thing as the criminal sanctions) ---
**Author:** ![Hiker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3be4f8/32.png) [@Hiker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiker)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/166 "2016-01-09T22:50:56Z")
> [@Donnerwetter](#): > > Without wanting to going into this extremely controversial discussion in detail: the ethnic makeup of Germany (and other European countries) will change dramatically. The power of the German economy will weaken as the productive part of the population ages while an ever increasing part of the population will be living off and demanding welfare. You are of course aware that you are talking about a time when you and I will be of retirement age and thus no longer contributing to this country’s productivity. Like it or not, we will be depending on the younger generations to keep this place running and so far it looks like these generations will be too short in number to do the job alone. Are these immigrants fit for the job? Probably not, at least not right now. But unless you see any viable alternative we better find a way to get them there. > [@Donnerwetter](#): > > Germany today, at the beginning of 2016, is a deeply divided country. About ⅓ agrees with Merkel’s policy of unlimited immigration from the Middle East, North Africa and Afghanistan while the rest is living a nightmare. A considerable number of Germans have lost their faith in government, the state, the judicial system, the “elite”, as it were, and especially the media. > > Is there a danger of an imminent coup or collapse: no. But in 20 or 30 years, this part of the world will look very, very different. This development started decades ago, but the attacks in Cologne were surreal. > > Eastern Europeans currently consider Germany a lunatic asylum, run by lunatics - and I agree. Well - this is the EU. You are free to settle down wherever you like. I suggest Hungary. That shold suit you well. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/167 "2016-01-09T22:51:42Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Are people under the impression that Islam doesn’t allow divorce? And when you look at countries that don’t have divorce, you get…the Philippines and the Vatican. Oh, not 100% true. Divorce is legal for Muslims in the Philippines. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/168 "2016-01-09T23:00:11Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Upset, no I note how puerile the word changing demarche is, the infantile game. Jesus is NOT the same as God (or Allah). The BIGGEST difference between a “christian” country and a “muslim” one religiously speaking is that very fact. I picked one for one and one for the other…BECAUSE of that difference. But no, you have to read something into that. I’m done here. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/169 "2016-01-09T23:03:17Z")
For this silliness about clothing and women, and the fevered imagination of the many posters who have the idea that the islamic world looks like the Saudi image, some [pictures](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://md1.libe.com/photo/790308-000_was8941365.jpg%253Fmodified_at%253D1436178864%2526width%253D960&imgrefurl=http://www.liberation.fr/planete/2015/07/06/au-maroc-les-hommes-en-robe-jugent-les-femmes-en-robe_1344163&h=638&w=960&tbnid=4dhhwQhWujIzfM:&docid=K2RfmCcYqxb58M&ei=mouRVsyjEMeIaMHrpLAK&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwjM2KrD5Z3KAhVHBBoKHcE1CaYQMwgjKAcwBw)[of](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://i2.wp.com/www.laliberte.ch/media/laliberte/image/11/normal/08_ud_dh_robe.jpg&imgrefurl=https://communismeouvrier.wordpress.com/tag/droit-des-femmes/&h=429&w=628&tbnid=NOzTz4wzJ4ZNlM:&docid=AjUIWSIWP7UWzM&ei=y4uRVq_TNIr6avn4rNgJ&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwjv5P3a5Z3KAhUKvRoKHXk8C5s4ZBAzCCwoKTAp) [actual](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static.lexpress.fr/medias_10482/w_1520,h_855,c_fill,g_north/v1435556290/plusieurs-centaines-de-personnes-ont-manifeste-le-28-juin-2015-a-casablanca-pour-protester-contre-les-poursuites-pour-outrage-a-la-pudeur-engagees-contre-deux-femmes-qui-se-promenaient-en-robe-dans-un-marche-pres-de-la-ville-d-agadir_5367219.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/monde/afrique/deux-marocaines-jugees-pour-outrage-a-la-pudeur-sont-acquittees_1698456.html&h=855&w=1520&tbnid=d2_bFn3ZN5_nPM:&docid=R8iGPBpTPWHnxM&ei=mouRVsyjEMeIaMHrpLAK&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwjM2KrD5Z3KAhVHBBoKHcE1CaYQMwg4KBQwFA)[street](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/1/63/65/07/20150805/ob_ef6733_28-juin-casa-592x296-1438262758.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.marocainesdumonde.com/2015/08/maroc-le-royaume-aux-deux-visages.html&h=296&w=592&tbnid=5UnpcCvbi_2tHM:&docid=Jj9AXOendWT1oM&ei=mouRVsyjEMeIaMHrpLAK&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwjM2KrD5Z3KAhVHBBoKHcE1CaYQMwiHAShjMGM) [events](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://scd.rfi.fr/sites/filesrfi/imagecache/rfi_large_600_338/sites/images.rfi.fr/files/aef_image/000_Par7269001_3_0.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.rfi.fr/afrique/20140217-tunisie-va-renforcer-le-controle-personnes-portant-le-niqab-voile-societe-benali-&h=338&w=600&tbnid=gaLXRYa3si5jfM:&docid=CCAoSTJ-HL8PqM&ei=LYqRVtnCCoe0ae6LqagO&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwiZjZ-V5J3KAhUHWhoKHe5FCuUQMwhlKEEwQQ) [of](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tunivisions.net/images/article/15690/664x373/01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tunivisions.net/32801/224/149/manifestation-du-8-mars-les-femmes-dans-la-rue.html&h=373&w=664&tbnid=hO8Rqm2NcauIYM:&docid=g5s4B3j6OI_66M&ei=LYqRVtnCCoe0ae6LqagO&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwiZjZ-V5J3KAhUHWhoKHe5FCuUQMwhzKE8wTw)[the cities](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static.lexpress.fr/medias_2051/w_1520,h_855,c_fill,g_north/v1376048432/manifestation-en-tunisie-egalite-homme-femme_1050412.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/monde/afrique/tunisie-les-islamistes-et-les-droits-des-femmes_1166966.html&h=855&w=1520&tbnid=Z4rY57vObfhoWM:&docid=G2IxCr7sgacUIM&ei=LYqRVtnCCoe0ae6LqagO&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwiZjZ-V5J3KAhUHWhoKHe5FCuUQMwhyKE4wTg)[Casablanca](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KiMaTvXXAoA/U5YDGBNmZFI/AAAAAAAACUk/Ya65-h5m8aI/s1600/Corniche%252BCasablanca%252Bcontraste%252Bfoulard.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.tortuesnomades.com/2014/06/quartiers-de-casablanca-la-corniche.html&h=1067&w=1600&tbnid=hNvmz6epmoNePM:&docid=fr-Kds4USf1yIM&ei=LoiRVq-wFsbyaLq8l7AP&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwiv_9Wh4p3KAhVGORoKHTreBfYQMwhOKCowKg) [and](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://s1.lprs1.fr/images/2012/08/14/2124909_tunisie-manif_545x460_autocrop.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.leparisien.fr/laparisienne/societe/tunisie-les-femmes-dans-la-rue-pour-defendre-leurs-droits-14-08-2012-2124909.php&h=367&w=545&tbnid=6NC9i7rswgIstM:&docid=stUmeqLsPaYK5M&ei=LYqRVtnCCoe0ae6LqagO&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwiZjZ-V5J3KAhUHWhoKHe5FCuUQMwgcKAAwAA)[Tunis](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www1.rfi.fr/actufr/images/080/femmes_tunis_afp200.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www1.rfi.fr/actufr/articles/080/article_45545.asp&h=148&w=200&tbnid=rORapLGWmV3fiM:&docid=LTSN8paoB-gwhM&ei=LYqRVtnCCoe0ae6LqagO&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwiZjZ-V5J3KAhUHWhoKHe5FCuUQMwgfKAMwAw) ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/170 "2016-01-09T23:05:13Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Jesus is NOT the same as God (or Allah). No one said such a thing one way or the other. it is the game playing around writing god or not. and since in the Christian Arabic and the Jewish Arabic the word for God is Allah, your picking has not a single justification other than in ignorance (and more likely other things too) > [@](#): > > I’m done here. doubtful ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/171 "2016-01-09T23:06:28Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Define “voluntary”. They didn’t leave against their will. > [@](#): > > The reality is, though, that even worse things than being groped, mugged, and possibly raped exist. Well, I’m sure it will be some comfort to raped women knowing that other people have it worse. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/172 "2016-01-09T23:15:19Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > hardly need to adopt the american problems to solve a passing problem, unless they want to augment their murders level to the american level - increase it nineteen times at least, and of course rape is more common in the USA so … what the guns do for you takes great Belief. Ah, so a mass assault of women in multiple cities in Europe is now a passing problem. It must be a great comfort to the women knowing the police were at the scene but were helpless to do anything about it because it was only a passing problem. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/173 "2016-01-09T23:20:28Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Ah, so a mass assault of women in multiple cities in Europe is now a passing problem. It must be a great comfort to the women knowing the police were at the scene but were helpless to do anything about it because it was only a passing problem. They shouldn’t be complaining anyway. They don’t know the hardships the guys went through just to GET to Germany in order to assault and rape them.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/174 "2016-01-09T23:25:42Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Ah, so a mass assault of women in multiple cities in Europe is now a passing problem. We speak of Cologne, not all of Europe and yes it is a passing problem because the Police will take action. It is not a thing which should or will cause the Germans to adopt your madness about gun laws This of course was the context of my comment (I responded to the idiocy of pretending it is secure in the USA because of CCW) that you grossly distort (and of course you skip over the \*\*statistical \*\*fact it is less safe to be a woman in the USA than in the Germany with your gun laws -whether from the marital violence and the murder or the rape). ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/175 "2016-01-09T23:28:02Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > doubtful Well, yes and no. Done with YOU in this thread? Yes. Done with this thread? Probably not. Done with the muslims suck more/less than christians part of the thread? Probably because it is a hijack of the thread itself, which is the ACTUAL event itself and particulars of that event. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/176 "2016-01-09T23:46:21Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > We speak of Cologne, not all of Europe and yes it is a passing problem because the Police will take action. It also happened in [Zurich and Helsink](http://pamelageller.com/2016/01/more-cities-reports-of-muslim-sex-attacks-on-new-years-eve-in-zurich-helsinki.html/)i. And it wasn’t a function of the police not taking action, they were overwhelmed. > [@Ramira](#): > > This of course was the context of my comment (I responded to the idiocy of pretending it is secure in the USA because of CCW) that you grossly distort (and of course you skip over the \*\*statistical \*\*fact it is less safe to be a woman in the USA than in the Germany with your gun laws -whether from the marital violence and the murder or the rape). Sorry no, in most states in the US a woman can defend herself. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/177 "2016-01-09T23:51:30Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It also happened in [Zurich and Helsink](http://pamelageller.com/2016/01/more-cities-reports-of-muslim-sex-attacks-on-new-years-eve-in-zurich-helsinki.html/)i. How did we know you get read the gross religious bigot **Pamela Geller**? Of course her bigotted religious phobia is not a good source for [any](http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-swiss-assaults-idUKKBN0UL1XX20160107) information. > [@](#): > > Sorry no, in most states in the US a woman can defend herself. Sorry yes the statistics show very clearly the reality whatever the strange american movie fantasies want to believe as part of their natoinal fictions narrative fantasies. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/178 "2016-01-09T23:58:37Z")
It is of course grossly silly and irrational to post around Zurich or other events without any context although it is typical of the Other Fear Mongering of the xenophobes. It may be this year there is more incidents, and maybe tied to the refugees/pseudo-refugees or it may be the incident of Cologne brings attention to the “normal” men’s abusive behaviour at the festivals when they are drunk. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/179 "2016-01-10T00:02:31Z")
> [@](#): > > **Ramira** > We speak of Cologne, not all of Europe and yes it is a passing problem because the Police will take action. > > It is not a thing which should or will cause the Germans to adopt your madness about gun laws Ramira how can you honestly say with a straight face it’s a ‘passing problem’ when your fellow Arab brethren have pretty much put the nail in the coffin for any type of compassion Europeans will have for them ever again? I don’t think you’re appreciating the gravity of this situation, this is a significant demarcation. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538/180 "2016-01-10T00:10:04Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Ramira how can you honestly say with a straight face it’s a ‘passing problem’ when your fellow Arab brethren I am not arab and the criminal harraga scum are not my brethren. > [@](#): > > have pretty much put the nail in the coffin for any type of compassion Europeans will have for them ever again? I do not think my European fellows are so bigoted as to turn to the fascist solutions yet and it is a passing problem because there will be a great crack-down by the police. The uncontrolled chaotic flows were never not going to have a problem like this, it is not possible for large numbers of uprooted young men - no matter their background - to pass like this without problems. With controls and crack down, the problem passes - and further the idiots among the Harraga will be also punished by their own fellows for bringing attention. > [@](#): > > I don’t think you’re appreciating the gravity of this situation, this is a significant demarcation. I appreciate it very much, I experience the backlash and the bigotries myself directly - it is not just theory for me like it is for you people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-so-what-the-hell-happened-in-germany-in-nye/742538.md?page=10)