# OK, ZPG: Let's get a room. I'm paying. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 21, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557 "2016-08-21T20:37:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/61 "2016-08-22T19:40:44Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I get pissed off because too many times sexual abuse of girls and women gets dismissed as innocent flirtation when there is nothing innocent about it. The standard should be, teach your sons they are not ever to touch a female without her permission (actual permission, not just “I guess it’s all right because she wasn’t trying to fight me off”), and that other than live saving procedures, there is no exception. How do you get to such bizarre absolutions though? You went straight from normal to extreme when talking about kids on the playground! Do you think any type of contact between males and females leads to rape? Do you just assume all guys are rape machines? How do you go outside your home without panicking in fear of rapists everywhere you see? Are you projecting one or two bad experiences with men into a worldwide rape epidemic? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/62 "2016-08-22T19:51:34Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > How do you get to such bizarre absolutions though? You went straight from normal to extreme when talking about kids on the playground! Do you think any type of contact between males and females leads to rape? Do you just assume all guys are rape machines? How do you go outside your home without panicking in fear of rapists everywhere you see? Are you projecting one or two bad experiences with men into a worldwide rape epidemic? This is the point in every conversation we ever have with ZPG at which we are again reminded that she’s simply a misandrist bigot. The additional crazy bits are just there for colour. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/63 "2016-08-22T19:56:30Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > OK, just to get this straight. Is this what you are describing? > > Stage 1: There was no legal action or any other problem. > Stage 2: You (unprovoked) took legal action against the girl and her family. > Stage 3: The family responded by way of their own defense lawyer. > Stage 4: Nothing came of it one way or another. > Stage 5: Your teenage nephew got married to a Roma girl? > > Just wondering if I missed something. You missed a couple of steps. Stage 1: ZPG checked through the phone that was legally hers, but given to her nephew on the mistaken belief that he was mature enough to use it properly. She found sexually explicit photographs. Stage 2: ZPG got very mad at her nephew over his stupidity. Did slap the kid a few times. Did smash the phone with a claw hammer. Stage 3: ZPG calmed down and realized these photos could be a lot of trouble especially because she (an adult woman past forty) is the legal owner of the phone, so she called her lawyer ASAP. Stage 4: Lawyer took phone, questioned nephew (further berated nephew for being a dumb ass) and took appropriate action to make sure ZPG and nephew did not get into any trouble. Stage 5: At some point these photos (and the sexual relationship between the teenagers) became knowledge to the girl’s father (non-Roma) who became enraged and wanted to punish the horrible pervert that “corrupted” his “innocent” daughter. At this point legal authorities become involved. Stage 6: Nothing happened to ZPG and nephew despite the best efforts of the girl’s family because ZPG had taken necessary precautions to protect herself in her family in this situation. The girl did transfer to some sort of alternative high school though whether that was court ordered or by her family’s request ZPG has no idea and only thinks Good riddance. Stage 7: Family decides they might as well let the nephew get married (arranged marriage) to a Roma girl because if teenagers are going to have sex, it might as well be legal sex. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/64 "2016-08-22T20:03:17Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > So the only thing I got wrong is that you didn’t actually try to file a rape charge against his daughter like you said you were going to do? Well, that’s good. I have no idea whether a rape charge was filed against the girl or not. The matter was left in the hands of the DA’s office. I do know she was sent transferred to an alternative high school for troubled teens. No charges of any kind where filed on my nephew and he was never arrested. Nor has he had to change high schools. The girl’s family threatened to file a civil lawsuit at one point. Over what I do not know, exposing their daughter’s stupidity, perhaps? Oh well, in America, anybody can sue anybody. Our side fired back that they could try and reminded them strongly that there was no evidence of nephew committing any crimes unlike their daughter. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/65 "2016-08-22T20:07:50Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > It seems that she was in her nephew’s face every day for a while there. Sometimes you have to be to keep teenagers out of trouble. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/66 "2016-08-22T20:10:31Z")
I have to admit, I find MB’s ideas interesting, too. Not because I think she’s literally in another world, but perhaps a different culture that differs from our own. The reason I say this is that I have also been accused sometimes of similar things–of having my own facts. (And I sometimes think it seems like others are in a different world than me.) The difference is that they blame this on me being sheltered. And, while I’m not some guy who has always been stuck in my house, I am someone who has stayed in a rather insular community, and learned about the rest of the world mostly through media. The only problem I have is that ZPG talks like she goes out into the wider world. She references living in a big city, not a podunk town. And she constantly talks about being with people who are not Roma, so it’s not cultural isolation. Instead, while I think there may be some of that, I think there is something else at play, too. Being a minority that is often discriminated against, I think she’s developed a filter through which she sees the world. I also think, from what she has said about her culture, that there is a level of untruth that is considered normal for her. She had to exaggerate to do her palm reading stuff. So I think she does it here, ala **Broomstick**. Essentially, she has beliefs that she knows are right, and has the cognitive bias to only see confirmation. We all have this to some extent, but it seems to inform most of her interactions with us. And if she has to bend the truth a bit to get across what she wants to say, that’s okay. Just as long as she can justify it as still “true.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/67 "2016-08-22T20:10:41Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > You missed a couple of steps. > > Stage 1: ZPG checked through the phone that was legally hers, but given to her nephew on the mistaken belief that he was mature enough to use it properly. She found sexually explicit photographs. > Stage 2: ZPG got very mad at her nephew over his stupidity. Did slap the kid a few times. Did smash the phone with a claw hammer. Stage 2a: ZPG knowingly admitted to committing assault on a minor. Stage 2b: ZPG did demonstrate anger management issues. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/68 "2016-08-22T20:12:49Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > How do you get to such bizarre absolutions though? You went straight from normal to extreme when talking about kids on the playground! Do you think any type of contact between males and females leads to rape? Do you just assume all guys are rape machines? How do you go outside your home without panicking in fear of rapists everywhere you see? Are you projecting one or two bad experiences with men into a worldwide rape epidemic? I think sexual abuse of females has gone on far too long because people dismiss male aggression against women too easily. Are you male? The world is different for women. Rape is not one of those things we can just forget to think about. It’s a real problem. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/69 "2016-08-22T20:15:24Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > [Her post here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19444940&postcount=141) seems to suggest she thought that allowing boys and girls together on the playground gave the boys permission to molest the girls. Again, we are making a lot of assumptions. I think more information would be helpful. \*\*ZPG \*\*is saying that boys on playgrounds molest girls, and that schools are allowing it. That’s not something to be taken lightly, ignored or brushed off. It it’s true, it sounds pretty despicable. If this is happening, do we want to support it? I think not. I would like to know what \*\*ZPG \*\*considers “molestation”, so that we’re on the same page. **ZPG** , which of the following occurred on the playground, in your experience? 1. Boys touching girls. 2. Boys touching girls, involving genitalia, breasts, or similar. 3. Boys touching girls against the girls’ will and/or with the girls resisting. 4. Boys touching girls against the girls’ will and/or with the girls resisting, involving genitalia, breasts, or similar. 5. Attempts at kissing or similar. 6. Physical violence, boy-on-girl, sexual or otherwise. 7. Full-on penetration, penis in vagina. 8. Full-on penetration, penis in other orifices. 9. Other body parts in other orifices. 10. Something I didn’t think of. And, yes, I know that it sounds like I’m f\*\*\*ing around here. I’m finding it impossible not to invoke some corollary of Poe’s Law in threads like this. Please, just give me the benefit of the doubt and assume that I’m being serious. I see nothing impossible about anything on that list. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/70 "2016-08-22T20:22:28Z")
Too late for edit: “Playground” may not be right, exactly, that was from **Knowed Out** ’s post, not **ZPG** ’s post that he linked to. Replace with “during sports or co-ed activities”. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/71 "2016-08-22T20:27:03Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Again, we are making a lot of assumptions. I think more information would be helpful. > > \*\*ZPG \*\*is saying that boys on playgrounds molest girls, and that schools are allowing it. That’s not something to be taken lightly, ignored or brushed off. It it’s true, it sounds pretty despicable. If this is happening, do we want to support it? I think not. > > I would like to know what ZPG considers “molestation”, so that we’re on the same page. > > **ZPG** , which of the following occurred on the playground, in your experience? > > 1. Boys touching girls. > 2. Boys touching girls, involving genitalia, breasts, or similar. > 3. Boys touching girls against the girls’ will and/or with the girls resisting. > 4. Boys touching girls against the girls’ will and/or with the girls resisting, involving genitalia, breasts, or similar. > 5. Attempts at kissing or similar. > 6. Physical violence, boy-on-girl, sexual or otherwise. > 7. Full-on penetration, penis in vagina. > 8. Full-on penetration, penis in other orifices. > 9. Other body parts in other orifices. > 10. Something I didn’t think of. > > And, yes, I know that it sounds like I’m f\*\*\*ing around here. I’m finding it impossible not to invoke some corollary of Poe’s Law in threads like this. Please, just give me the benefit of the doubt and assume that I’m being serious. I see nothing impossible about anything on that list. My experience as a child and helping my nieces through school are that 1-6 occur fairly common. And plenty of little girls did not like it. Unless the girls have adults wiling to stand up for their rights as women the girls are punished if they try to defend themselves. I was an early developer of breasts. I use to bind them with bandages trying to keep the monsters on the playground to leave me alone. It was only after my father taught me how to grab the penis and developing balls and try to tear something off that the little bastards left me alone. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/72 "2016-08-22T20:42:45Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Almost everyone I’ve ever encountered that is a member of traditional American cultural understood this rule of etiquette. You are completely wrong, and I suspect need to get out more. You could not be more wrong. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/73 "2016-08-22T20:51:30Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > You are completely wrong, and I suspect need to get out more. You could not be more wrong. I get out a lot. I belong to multi-professional associations and am actively involved in numberous civic groups. The Dope is the only place outside of volunteering at a homeless shelter or working with teenagers in poverty that I have encountered so many people ignorant of such basic etiquette. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/74 "2016-08-22T20:55:32Z")
ZPG says killing women is fine. ZPG says killing children is fine. ZPG says slut-shaming is fine. ZPG says killing people who suggest she’s a prostitute is fine. ZPG says men who offer to shake hands are potential rapists. ZPG says women who don’t object are whores. ZPG says racism is fine. ZPG says adopted children are tainted. ZPG says adoptive parents are monsters. Write it all out like this and it’s fairly embarrassing that I still engage with her. I think I’ll stop. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/75 "2016-08-22T21:01:05Z")
Holy batshit crazy. Okay, good to know. Will file away for future reference. Congratulations on joining a very exclusive club. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/76 "2016-08-22T21:01:32Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > Good on you for recognizing your part in the Straight Dope bully culture and owning up to it. > > :smack: > > And now the bullying begins. > > And continues. > > Good one and well said. > > Yeah, without the alternate reality different dimension shit it is entirely the same in tone and content. > > Who exactly doesn’t think that the world should conform to their version of right and wrong? > > “She demands tolerance of other people while showing absolutely none of her own” that’s pretty much the standard for most people and is the ruling idea on this board. > > Holy fuck the hypocrisy of this board. You do realize that 'tard is short for retard which is a slur against mentally handicapped people right? You get that calling him a retard because you dislike him demeans retards right? > > I guess it’s okay because it isn’t Big Fag - because slamming the mentally challenged is somehow more acceptable than slamming homosexuals (neither one of them is acceptable.) > > How is it that nigger and fag are beating offenses around here but retard (and its variants) gets a pass? > > There is a bully culture entrenched here that is made more reprehensible by the inherent hypocrisy. Pretty much everyone on this board would break bones leaping over each other to decry bullying - except when they have a chance to take part in it. > > Fuck sake Too Retarded Didn’t Read. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Did slap the kid a few times. So if someone touches you it’s rape but it’s cool for you to beat children. > [@](#): > > Stage 7: Family decides they might as well let the nephew get married (arranged marriage) to a Roma girl because if teenagers are going to have sex, it might as well be legal sex. Ah, you got you’re nephew a whore, least you could do after beating him. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/77 "2016-08-22T21:01:45Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Sometimes you have to be to keep teenagers out of trouble. Well, I certainly won’t argue with that. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Stage 5: At some point these photos (and the sexual relationship between the teenagers) became knowledge to the girl’s father (non-Roma) who became enraged and wanted to punish the horrible pervert that “corrupted” his “innocent” daughter. At this point legal authorities become involved. OK, you’re saying that the girl’s father expressed a desire to punish your nephew. Furthermore, that he described your nephew as a horrible pervert, and his daughter as innocent and subsequently corrupted. Were these statements and descriptions, the way you phrase them, expressed in these words or something close, or are you paraphrasing? Did he tell this to you, or to your nephew, directly? Or you get this information by way of a lawyer? Or by some other means? Also, just wondering, concerning who holds what viewpoint in the situation: Do you agree with those statements at all, or would you describe the relationship in different words? About the legal authorities: You went to the police, to get information about whether your nephew might be in trouble, and consulted with your lawyer. However, you did not take legal action against the girl’s family, is that right? The girl’s father initiated legal action? I’m still a bit confused about who involved the legal authorities against the other side first, so it would be cool to have that cleared up. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Stage 7: Family decides they might as well let the nephew get married (arranged marriage) to a Roma girl because if teenagers are going to have sex, it might as well be legal sex. Just to clarify something about the chronology and the ages of the participants here. At the time of the original relationship with the non-Roma girl, both parties were below the legal age of consent. At the time of the marriage to the Roma girl, had your nephew reached the age of consent? Was the Roma girl of legal age of the time of the marriage? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/78 "2016-08-22T21:27:31Z")
Re: post 74: Whoa, **jsgoddess** , that’s a pretty heavy-duty list of accusations there. Not to be a dick about this, but I think I’ll pull out the ‘cite’ card for a couple of those. Which of the following did \*\*ZPG \*\*actually say? > [@jsgoddess](#): > > ZPG says killing women is fine. Cite? > [@](#): > > ZPG says killing children is fine. Cite? > [@](#): > > ZPG says slut-shaming is fine. Well… you know what, I’ll give a pass on that one. > [@](#): > > ZPG says killing people who suggest she’s a prostitute is fine. Cite? > [@](#): > > ZPG says men who offer to shake hands are potential rapists. Yeah, she did say that. I actually think it went a bit further than “potential”. > [@](#): > > ZPG says women who don’t object are whores. She did basically say that, too. > [@](#): > > ZPG says racism is fine. Cite? > [@](#): > > ZPG says adopted children are tainted. Cite? > [@](#): > > ZPG says adoptive parents are monsters. You know, I did see her say that. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/79 "2016-08-22T21:30:58Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > ZPG says killing women is fine. > > ZPG says killing children is fine. > > ZPG says slut-shaming is fine. > > ZPG says killing people who suggest she’s a prostitute is fine. > > ZPG says men who offer to shake hands are potential rapists. > > ZPG says women who don’t object are whores. > > ZPG says racism is fine. > > ZPG says adopted children are tainted. > > ZPG says adoptive parents are monsters. > > Write it all out like this and it’s fairly embarrassing that I still engage with her. I think I’ll stop. Okay let’s play jsgoddess says robbing people for 18 years is fine jsgoddess says that women who can’t get abortions should just accept their fate as incubators jsgoddess says expecting adults to be responsible for their actions and the messages they convey is wrong. jsgoddless says that slandering women is fine and women have not right to defend themselves against defamation of character. jsgoddess says that men should have the right to force or intimidate women into touching them even if that touching is in the form of an act they only do with their spouses. jsgoddess says that women should go along with the sexual victimization of another women to please men jsgoddess says that past experiences are irrelevant, so are personal preferences, and that some minorities are more entitled then others. jsgoddess says that its perfectly all right to take children away from their rightful families, communities, and cultures and give them to infertile or sometimes just plain greedy people who happen to have more money. And of course, the children will be perfectly fine as a result of legal form of ethnic cleansing. Write it all out like this and it’s fairly embarrassing that I still engage with her. I shouldn’t stop though. Evil triumphs when the good say nothing. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/80 "2016-08-22T21:31:12Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > The truth is sexual violence is often dismissed as incidental, common, and innocent contact. Let’s cut through the bullshit between what you said vs. what you mean. Your handshake = rape assertion requires the necessary belief that all contact is equal. They are not, _obviously_ It focuses on the very specific idea that physical rape requires _only_ that an unwanted touch occur, ignoring any context. It would be like saying cake is food and therefore all food is cake. Yes, sexual violence is often dismissed as incidental touching, but you forget something: INCIDENTAL TOUCHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS! Furthermore, by thinking as you do, you trivialize the actual harm of actual rape victims, which is why most of us think you’re full of shit. If you’re merely existing off in your corner with all the stupid beliefs bottled up inside your head, that would be one thing, you’d be a weird curiosity and nothing more, but you leave your hole to spread hurtful, damaging, and dangerous information based on the above misconceptions. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > The kind of belief that harms kids is that their bodies are not their own property and that in order to be polite they must allow people to touch without their consent. You’re the kind of person who would cry harassment if someone looks at you wrong. You’re the kind of person who spreads conspiracy theories about social norms because you don’t like them. You’re the kind of person who is probably very inconsistent in their own life because no human can possibly believe the shit you do and have it interfere with daily living every single second of the day. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Touching someone without their permission or especially against their will is sexual violence. Only if there is a sexual component. If I headbutt you, I didn’t rape you. If I roundhouse kick you in the face, I didn’t rape you. That you think it has is more your problem than mine, because I’m not going to stop roundhousing random people in the face > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > With the attitude that such can be dismissed as incidental, common and innocent it’s no wonder sexual predation on children and date rape are such a problem and so many rapes go unreported. Part of what you learn as far as mental illness goes is that something is an illness when it is debilitating, when it affects other parts of their life, and when it substitute a fake reality for the actual one. A person can be eccentric without being mentally ill if it doesn’t impair your life. You can believe something crazy but if it doesn’t affect anyone else negatively, there’s no reason to lock you up. No matter what is “reality”, medically and legally, you probably won’t be committed to a hospital for simply thinking crazy or odd thoughts if you can still function as a normal human being. Nobody is dragging you away if you believe in fairies unless you’re dressing up like them and hunting them in the woods with a shotgun. What’s the point of all this? Well, if the vast majority of people are ok with enforced handshaking, and it doesn’t negatively impact them, and they are not harmed, and you still think its rape? Maybe you should be more tolerant of your idea of rape. It is, after all, just a word. Calling some mild action “rape” doesn’t make the mild action worse, it makes the word “rape” less serious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557.md?page=5)