# OK, ZPG: Let's get a room. I'm paying. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 21, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557 "2016-08-21T20:37:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/101 "2016-08-22T22:50:28Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Stage 2a: ZPG knowingly admitted to committing assault on a minor. > Stage 2b: ZPG did demonstrate anger management issues. Stage 2c: ZPG knowingly committed a crime by destroying evidence. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/102 "2016-08-22T22:52:01Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I paid $20 at the door for this? Phaw … I want my money back. > > Pitting failed … **ZPG Zealot’s** heart is in the right place, who cares if her expression leaves something to be desired. > > Can I have a hug? … [wolfish grin] … Heart in the right place? A man shakes my hand it’s like assault or rape? That shit gets men fired and their lives ruined. No, heart not in right place. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/103 "2016-08-22T23:02:28Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Heart in the right place? A man shakes my hand it’s like assault or rape? That shit gets men fired and their lives ruined. No, heart not in right place. What gets men fired and their lives ruined is their own damn bad behavior. It’s real simple, if you are a man, leave the women alone. Don’t touch them without asking first. Get a witness if you’re worried about being accused of doing something. It’s not that women haven’t had centuries of having to have a witness of iron-clad reliability to prove our truthfulness in encounters with the opposite sex. Time of join the club, boys. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/104 "2016-08-22T23:05:45Z")
Can you explain why adoption is “immoral”? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/105 "2016-08-22T23:06:14Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > This is the very attitude that makes it hard for victims of sexual violence and continues the cycle of violence of again. A mild action of violence is like a mild state of pregnant. No such thing. I just want to make sure I understand you right. You believe there are no mild actions. Period. Full stop. A punch in the face is the same as a tweak of the nose. A kick to the groin is the same as slap on the back. A knee to the kidneys is the same as a flick of the ear. Or, maybe you see the absurdity of those statements and want to take it back? Maybe you will say what you actually meant to say was a handshake is a form of rape, not as bad, but similar in that it forces unwanted touching, but not as traumatizing? A non-crazy person would say that. > [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > As long as you can brush something off as just a “mild” action of violence, just about any sort of foul behavior is excused as a “mild” action of violence. Would you rather someone shake your hands multiple times over several days, or forcefully strip and sodomize you once? If they’re the same, then multiple handshakes are worse than 1 sodomy, right? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/106 "2016-08-22T23:07:59Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Heart in the right place? A man shakes my hand it’s like assault or rape? That shit gets men fired and their lives ruined. No, heart not in right place. Guys trying to force me touch their bodies produces a similar reaction in me as merely viewing a woman wearing a burkini does for you. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/107 "2016-08-22T23:10:11Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > I just want to make sure I understand you right. You believe there are no mild actions. Period. Full stop. > > A punch in the face is the same as a tweak of the nose. > > A kick to the groin is the same as slap on the back. > > A knee to the kidneys is the same as a flick of the ear. > > Or, maybe you see the absurdity of those statements and want to take it back? Maybe you will say what you actually meant to say was a handshake is a form of rape, not as bad, but similar in that it forces unwanted touching, but not as traumatizing? A non-crazy person would say that. > > Would you rather someone shake your hands multiple times over several days, or forcefully strip and sodomize you once? If they’re the same, then multiple handshakes are worse than 1 sodomy, right? The degree of violence doesn’t make one version of assault “better” than the other. Both are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/108 "2016-08-22T23:11:54Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Guys trying to force me touch their bodies produces a similar reaction in me as merely viewing a woman wearing a burkini does for you. …it oddly turns you on? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/109 "2016-08-22T23:17:27Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Guys trying to force me touch their bodies produces a similar reaction in me as merely viewing a woman wearing a burkini does for you. Context is your friend. How about when a women extends her hand to me, which for example women do all the time? Recoil in terror? You have a seriously fucked up view of gender relations and you live in a world where your views should be everyone’s views. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/110 "2016-08-22T23:19:05Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Time of join the club, boys. **ZPG** , let’s say that a man and a woman are alone in a room together. Nothing happens. Then, they go their separate ways. Which of the following would you consider the proper course of action to be for the woman in this situation? 1. Do nothing. 2. File a false rape charge. Here’s another situation: A man and a woman live in separate houses. They are never in the same room together. Which of the following would you consider the proper course of action to be for the women in this situation? 1. Do nothing. 2. File a false rape charge, which includes the claim that they at one point were in the same room together. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/111 "2016-08-22T23:25:57Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > Can you explain why adoption is “immoral”? “Every time we allow a child to be adopted, we are saying to that child that his or her heritage is so insignificant that we are happy to wipe it out completely so that it has no legal standing whatsoever” E. Robinson. Every adoption is also about a society admitting we don’t want to do what is necessary to help poor people care for their children. Adoption isn’t about finding care for children who need it. It’s about finding children for people who want to own them who either can’t produce children or can’t produce more of them. To raise an orphan or a child in similar need is a wonderful altruistic act of good for humanity, but taking that same child and altering their legal birth certificates, denying who their family is (and family is a lot more than a mother and father), and requiring the child to grow up denying everything about themselves calling unrelated people relative crosses the line. It’s like an everyday mind rape. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/112 "2016-08-22T23:28:37Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > **ZPG** , let’s say that a man and a woman are alone in a room together. Nothing happens. Then, they go their separate ways. Which of the following would you consider the proper course of action to be for the woman in this situation? > > 1. Do nothing. > 2. File a false rape charge. > > Here’s another situation: A man and a woman live in separate houses. They are never in the same room together. Which of the following would you consider the proper course of action to be for the women in this situation? > > 1. Do nothing. > 2. File a false rape charge, which includes the claim that they at one point were in the same room together. If nothing has happened why would the woman bother with filing a false rape charge? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/113 "2016-08-22T23:35:03Z")
Well, Jeez, now I’m kind of sorry I asked about how the Case of the Mutual Statutory Rape resolved. I’m not particularly impressed with whoever it was who called your nephew’s wife a whore, but that said, I’m also not very impressed with the concept of arranging a marriage to a third party as a “solution” to the “problem” created by teenagers leaving the driving to their hormones. Still, the fact that (according to your own report) you didn’t favor the approach probably speaks well of you. One more question, if I may. You often give the impression that you, or rather, your culture, views the matter of physical contact between members of the opposite sex in a, let’s say, “binary” context. What is your culture’s position on the absoluteness of a husband’s right of access to his wife’s body? And is it in complete accordance with your personal view (sorry, that was technically TWO questions. I’d appreciate you indulging me anyway)? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/114 "2016-08-22T23:35:31Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If nothing has happened why would the woman bother with filing a false rape charge? Well, that’s kind of what I was wondering. So would I need witnesses in these situations? If nothing happened, and the woman isn’t going to bother with filing a false rape charge, why would I need to worry about being accused of something? If these situations don’t call for me to have witnesses to prevent accusations, what situations do? Could you give me a better example? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/115 "2016-08-22T23:43:32Z")
When we say “equal pay for equal work” how do we factor in the salaries of women’s body guards, escorts, witnesses and full-body burkas? Does that count towards women’s pay or men’s pay? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/116 "2016-08-22T23:47:43Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > “Every time we allow a child to be adopted, we are saying to that child that his or her heritage is so insignificant that we are happy to wipe it out completely so that it has no legal standing whatsoever” E. Robinson. Fun time activity: Read the above sentence aloud in your best Edward G. Robinson voice (chief Wiggum from _The Simpsons_ for those of you with no grounding in classic films). ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/117 "2016-08-22T23:51:20Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Well, Jeez, now I’m kind of sorry I asked about how the Case of the Mutual Statutory Rape resolved. I’m not particularly impressed with whoever it was who called your nephew’s wife a whore, but that said, I’m also not very impressed with the concept of arranging a marriage to a third party as a “solution” to the “problem” created by teenagers leaving the driving to their hormones. > > Still, the fact that (according to your own report) you didn’t favor the approach probably speaks well of you. > > One more question, if I may. You often give the impression that you, or rather, your culture, views the matter of physical contact between members of the opposite sex in a, let’s say, “binary” context. What is your culture’s position on the absoluteness of a husband’s right of access to his wife’s body? And is it in complete accordance with your personal view (sorry, that was technically TWO questions. I’d appreciate you indulging me anyway)? Decent men don’t rape their wives just like they don’t beat them. Of course, in every culture there will be individuals that violate this norm. If husband and wife can’t stand each other divorce is viable option (what the settlement and terms are depends of numerous factors). My first marriage ended in divorce. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/118 "2016-08-22T23:51:29Z")
BTW, in case anyone thought that my posts addressing \*\*ZPG \*\*about false rape charges, witnesses and being alone with women in a room were a bit out of the blue or jumping to conclusions, I had [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17382247&postcount=28) post somewhere in the back of my mind. It got a bit stuck there at some point, and has made me a bit jumpy on that particular subject. Sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/119 "2016-08-22T23:54:21Z")
I was in London Heathrow a few weeks ago. A woman (a complete stranger to me) was sitting across from me in the gate area. She had earbuds in listening to music, with her eyes closed. She was alone, as in no one was traveling with her, as was I. While we were sitting there, I noticed that her bookbag had partially toppled over, and her passport and wallet (or whatever is the female word for wallet-y thing) had fallen out. My choices were (a) ignore it entirely, (b) try to put the items back in her bag, in which case someone may have thought I was attempting theft, or © get her attention. I chose ©. I tried getting her attention audibly, “Excuse me” or something like that. No dice, earbuds in, and she was jamming. So I :eek: touched her on the arm, right above her wrist. Kind of a light tap. She immediately popped her eyes open, took out the earbuds and I pointed out what I wanted to call to her attention. She was appreciative and friendly, and we chatted for about 10 minutes until we both turned our attention back to something else. For me, that was my Kindle, for her, it was her earbuds. So, **ZPG ZEALOT** , you can see this coming, I’m sure. Was I wrong to touch this woman as I did, uninvited? Was she a “whore” for not only not rejecting my touch, and not being offended by it, but also for being willing to engage me in conversation? Was I willing to touch this strange woman because,as a man of obviously low morals, I somehow assumed it would be okay? In your worldview, what should I have done? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-zpg-lets-get-a-room-im-paying/763557/120 "2016-08-22T23:54:45Z")
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