How odd. Boy lovers and and those who cater to their tastes have stealthily carved out a little home at Ebay with public and private auctions selling non-porn kiddy pics and used clothing.
Is it better for these people to indulge their tastes online or does interaction with like minded deviants encourage them to venture forth into real molestation? I don’t know. What they are doing is (so far) entirely legal and I will guarantee you that if someone is willing to pay $ 10.00 for a pair of unwashed, used boys underwear, there will be a line of people around the block ready to sell it. The adolescent girls in provocative poses, web sites fall into the same category and those webmaster/parents are being prosecuted.
I said the guy should be checked out based on his behavior, not arrested. If it turns out this is on the up and up, and isn’t up to anything illegal, than he’s as free to walk around as the next guy (As abhorrent as I may personally find it to be standing next to him).
There’s no call for dismissing his civil liberties on my end, especially when he’s done nothing to protect them, it’s simply saying I wouldn’t mind if he were checked out, because I don’t think it’s a stretch to believe this guy is up to much worse.
Nope, and again, I didn’t say that. What I said, and still believe, is that the authorities should be notified of this guy, or at the very least, e-bay.
I don’t know about these people, understand them, or really even give a shit about them- I think their scum.
But do I think he, and others like him, should be locked up for having evil and sick thoughts about children? No. But again, I don’t think it’d be a stretch to believe that this guy has crossed the line at some point in the past, if not been over that line completely.
If that’s the case, then nail the pervert.
And, if it’s found because the guy’s foolish enough to broadcast his sicko fantasies to the world, than I’m not going to lose sleep over that fact- it’s his own fucking fault.
Quite frankly, my emotions in this instance far outweigh what I personally believe is best and right for this country- that liberties need to be protected at all costs.
If reporting him to the authorities or e-bay is somehow violating his rights, one way or the other, than so be it, I won’t lose any sleep over it. Let someone else, who isn’t as emotionally driven by this issue as I apparently am, get involved and protect him and his rights. In a way, I’d agree with what was decided, either way. But personally, deep down, I feel people like him should rot- it’s abhorrent.
I guess I’ve found my personal breaking point when it comes to rights, the point at which I really don’t care if they’re protected or not (In a way, I don’t see where checking him out violates any of his rights anyway’s). It doesn’t mean my beliefs are tossed out the window, it simply means I can’t find the inner strength and fortitude to defend his rights as much as I might a different case, or different situation,.
I don’t know about you, but I have no problem thinkin
I have no problem thinking, either. It just seems, by the tone of your post and to me, at least, that you think people who have a predilection for something you find offensive should be treated differently.
If that’s not your message and you don’t feel that way, then don’t mind my post.
I started off thinking the link in the OP was funny, kinda like Skirtman.org or that Peter Pan guy’s site. After seeing some of the other related auctions and links, I think I’m going to turn off the computer for the day and go outside for some fresh air, exercise, and perspective.
And I agree with CnoteChris- this guy’s behavior is disturbing and wrong, although not (yet) illegal.
Jeff, when we start keeping tabs on white Americans, any one of whom might have some connection to extremist anti-government movements a la Timothy McVeigh, I’ll rethink my stance on keeping tabs on people of Arabic origin.
Cnote, I will not nor cannot say that someone’s sexual turn-ons are wrong. I guess we’ll just agree to disagree on that point.
Here’s a question for someone with more legal knowledge than I: Isn’t investigating someone when no one has reported a crime a violation of civil liberties?
I’m not going to preach and I’ll try not to use a patronizing tone.
I did, as promised, follow up and e-mail the information to Authorities (the FBI to be more specific). Why?[ol][li]Not because I believe we have too much freedom in this country; quite the contrary.[]Not because I’m a right wing evangelical denouncing the slouching toward Gomorrah; I really don’t have a problem with what individual adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms.[]Not because I’ve waited all these years for Orwell’s 1984 prophecies to come true; I hate Big Brother tactics as much as most libertarians. (Shit, I pay $400 a year to those computerized, caught on film traffic infraction letters sent in the mail from NYC TVB).[/ol]I did it for one reason and one reason only; [/li]There are sick fucks like Mr Underoo Fetish in too many neighborhoods around this country. There are some, like the Runnion girl’s killer, who act out those fantasies. If I have info that could possibly prevent a violent crime against a child from occuring and didn’t kept quiet because of my pro-privacy / anti-gov’t philosophy, I don’t think I could live with myself.
Ok, now for the non-patronizing part:.
When I was 26 I was as idealistic as you were…maybe even more so. It’s very laudable to have convictions and principles that you both stick to and fight for. However, in the 8+ years since then, I’ve become more weathered & more calloused; not less passionate, just more matter-of-fact.
I used to believe it was better to let 1,000 guilty men go free than to wrongfully imprison 1 man. But when I had my own kids and replaced the word guilty men with child molesters, I could no longer rationalize that principle.
Let’s say the FBI follows up on my dime drop.
What’s the worse that could happen?
If all Mr. Sicko does is jerk off on it while watching Barney who cares? There’s no law against that. If 2 guys in suits and glasses come knocking on his door and he’s not commiting a crime, they’re going to ask him a few routine questions and leave.
On the other hand: If this perv prays at the altar of John Gacy, watches kiddie porn & has 2 dozen rotting bodies buried in his basement, they’re gonna nail him. I’ll breathe a sigh of relief knowing there’s one less freak out there preying on innocent children…one less family that’s going to be destroyed.
Thanks to CnoteChris and wring for helping to point out the differences.
Not necessarily. If I’m calling to say that my house was broken into, that is a crime. If I’m calling to say that I suspect my neighbor is abusing their child, an investigation happens, and if that suspicion is substantiated, that crime is then reported, but until it’s substantiated, there’s not a ‘crime report’. and, no, their civil liberties are not necessarily violated. (I’m not certain how much cooperation one must give to the police under those circumstances).
Calling to report suspicious activity at my neighbor’s home, too, no crime’s reported.
REmember recently a person wrote to “Dear Abby” saying he had ‘thoughts’ about his g/f’s daughters and wanted help, she reported him, an investigation ensued and he was arrested for possession of child porn. Again, I’m not certain how much cooperation one is obligated to give to the police in those circumstances, but an investigation certainly resulted from some one calling in a suspicion. Not a crime, a suspicion of ‘something not right’.
That looks like a non-answer. I would assume that, because you’re against checking on people who may or may not be a danger to children, you’re also against checking on people who may or may not be a danger to the American population as a whole.
Jeff, how do you feel about keeping tabs on white Americans, any one of whom might have some connection to extremist anti-government movements a la Timothy McVeigh and his ilk?
At first I thought you were kidding about keeping tabs on all Arabs because they may have connections to extremist Muslim groups. I’m appalled they you may be serious. It’s already been proven that a white person can be a member of Al-Queda, so why not keep tabs on them, too?
I wasn’t trying to start a debate, if I was I would have posted in GD instead of here. I was testing a theory that you could be defending the rights of anyone who could pose a threat against children but not for potential terrorists, a valid theory given the fact that you’re still providing non-answers. I used Arabs in my test because, to my knowledge, very few non-Arabic people have shown involvement with extremist Muslim groups.
'Tis a fine line we’ve travelled these past 10 months. We’re a nation based on freedom; there’s a clear need for tighter security regarding potential threats but we still need to maintain our freedom. As long as there is evidence of an unquenstionable threat then law enforcement personnel should remove the threat.
This will be my last post hijacking this thread. I do agree that if there is evidence of an unquestionable threat then it should be neutralized immediately.
Read this and understand: I do not support keeping tabs on people solely because they’re of Arab descent. Now there’ll be no more talk of this non-answer business.
I see you haven’t answered my question, either. Frankly, I didn’t think you would and I’m not surprised. If you think Muslim extremist groups are the only potential threat to this country, and I’m not saying you do, boy are you wrong. That’s like locking your back door at night, leaving your front door ajar and thinking you’re safe.
Any more posts along this line of questioning should definitely be taken to Great Debates. I’d be more than happy to meet you there if you decide to start a thread.
This would also work for a professional quality boy’s circus performer costume, (any boylove sto pretend to be a big top star for Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey circus, or a trapeze artist! Makes a great Lion Tamer costume too - has the same type of bare chest harness like Gunther Gabel Williams), and of course great for a “macho” masculine looking boys pageant outfit to really show off their muscles!
Did anyone else notice the convenient ommision of a space between two words in one line of this?
I’ve been staring at this too long.