Even if they aren’t smoking it, I would not allow it in home. A friend of ours who smokes was in town a couple years ago and stayed with us. I explained to them that if they wished to purchase and smoke it elsewhere, that was their business. But it was not to brought onto my property.
I made a decision about 20 years ago to have my contact with guns limited. This was after having them around when I was a kid, seeing hunters on a regular basis and handling guns myself a number of times. It simply comes down to the fact that it is my home and a decision I have made.
As usual, you are absolutely wrong. The three people who have even suggested the position that you claim is universal have been denounced by everybody else in this thread. Everybody else.
I don’t think that anyone in this thread is denying your right to control what occurs in your home. You could say that entrance to your home is conditional on the person being an Irish lesbian black woman with green eyes, who has no guns or weed, who can hum “She’ll be comin’ round the mountain when she comes” in perfect pitch.
It’s fine. Our domiciles are sacrosanct. But I thought the point of this thread was about etiquette and whether or not it was acceptable as far as manners go to tell guests not to do something with presents zero harm to the owner/occupant.
So far, all I have heard is a declaration from your side that you simply don’t allow guns in your home. Fine. If I was invited to your home, I would respect that. It doesn’t make it right. That’s the whole point of this thread. Why do you think that your view is okay?
No, he doesn’t. But we are talking about etiquette. I could tell a white woman to leave her nigger husband outside of my home. It’s my right as a property owner. Would make me a real asshole if I said it. NOBODY is arguing about what you, Der Trihs, and now Airman Doors keep repeating.
Post 2-Stranger On A Train: “Frankly, it is a bit of a slight to carry in someone’s house uninvited, as it implies that you find their protection is inadequate.”
Post 3-Silenus: “Carrying in someone’s house, where you are a guest, and where you know the host is against guns (for whatever reason) is just plain rude. Leave it in the car.”
Post 4-Crafter_Man:"Agree.
I am usually armed. But I will leave my weapon in my vehicle if I know (or believe) the owner doesn’t welcome armed guests."
Post 7-Oakminster: “As far as I’m concerned, anything I have in my car is nobody’s business but mine. I’d prolly just decline the invitation.”
Post 8-Pullin: “Your property, your rules. You want me to leave it at home; I will. No if’s and’s or but’s.”
Post 12-Ex Tank: “As I see it, a Homeowner’s right trumps my (and anyone else’s) 2nd Ad. right. If my host don’t want them in their home, I’m (and everyone else is) obligated to leave them behind.”
Post 13-Rack-a-Bones: “I agree 100%[with post 7]”
Wow, I hadn’t realized how many there were. There are so many that it would take me an hour to do them all, an effort not worthy of my time considering that you’ll just handwave them away in typical fashion.
Perhaps you might consider reading the thread before jumping in on page 6 with your nonsense? It would be a good change of pace for all of us.
One possibility, they are not legally allowed to carry a gun or are not licensed for CCW so that would mean an illegal weapon was in my house. I also don’t know the weapons habits of most of my friends (aside from the SCA members, but that doesn’t involve guns) so I have no way of knowing if they are responsible with them or not. How would I know if they are attentive enough to it not to have a kid grab it? Honestly, I don’t know of anyone that would normally be in my home who even owns one so this has never been an issue before.
I also believe my position is okay because it doesn’t put any hardship on the person I’m making the request of. I’m not asking them to change their life in any way or telling them that they shouldn’t own one.
I don’t require perfect pitch of my friends, but if you can’t stay in tune then please don’t sing in my home either.
I could show you my CCW or give you the cite that it isn’t required for carry in a private residence. I would hope that if you know me well enough to have me for a holiday dinner that you would think enough of me not to endanger your kids. I could ask for any cite about a death of a child from a pilfered gun from a CCW holder.
Or, if it was that much of an issue, I would leave in in the car. But I would still think you were a little bit silly for thinking so lowly of me. But we could still have a nice holiday dinner, even if I try to sing
All property owners are legally allowed to exclude anything from their home.
Just because you “don’t like guns” isn’t a mannerly reason to ask me not to carry anymore than someone else asking you to leave your Chinese girlfriend outside is a rational reason.
Of course, one might be worse to degrees than the other, but we are talking about simple etiquette, and we have spent the last fifteen posts talking about a property owner’s rights. Nobody is denying those.
My hypothetical children might also ask why Uncle Bob has a six-shooter tucked into his pants. Now, personally, I won’t much care whether or not my kids carry guns when they’re 18, and I’ll probably take them to a gun range and teach them to shoot rifles when they’re old enough.
However, I personally believe carrying firearms for self-defense is a generally dangerous practice. Therefore, I don’t want the kids I don’t have to see people doing it in our home, where possible. I also don’t want my kids getting shot if Uncle Bob is careless and leaves his gun on the kitchen counter or somesuch.
More importantly from my point of view, since I don’t get have kids, I don’t want anyone at my hypothetical dinner party or whatever getting shot. The most reliable way to prevent this occurrence is to ensure there are no guns around.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have several friends who are law enforcement officers, and I don’t mind them carrying firearms. They have by the very nature of their employment been subject to rather strict scrutiny of their weapons handling practices- and in any case, I didn’t have a choice in the past since three of them were my roommates a few years back and it would have been a bit unreasonable to ask them to leave our guns outside our shared house.
As far as leaving them in the car - sure, go for it. You can keep a light machine gun and an RPG launcher in there as far as I’m concerned.
Don’t have a cite because I don’t really care that much about the issue. Others brought that bit up, so I included it. The simplest thing is to simply maintain a blanket ban becaue then those other issues aren’t relevant.
I’d even let you carve the turkey. Or slice up the ham, I’m making both this year. Even if you are one of those arsenal toting, shoot anything that moves, gun fetish guys. (Teasing, just teasing I swear!)
There are tons of people I know who I’d invite over for a holiday dinner who I wouldn’t ride eight yards in a car with. Just because I like you it doesn’t mean I necessarily trust your judgment in all ways.
Oh, rubbish. What if I’m teetotal? Would it be rude of me to ask you not to bring booze?
If you think a person’s gun and their Chinese girlfriend are equally important then there’s really no point in discussing this any further.
Well, then suck it up and leave the capgun in the car, already. And if the only difference is degree, than a person who dislikes raisins is just the same as a person who wants all Jews exterminated because both are “unmannerly”.
