# Oklahoma Couple Kills Puppy, Tans Hide **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346 "2009-06-19T23:05:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Clovernook](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ec9cab/32.png) [@Clovernook](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clovernook)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/1 "2009-06-19T23:05:48Z")
Story [here](http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6488408.html) I’m not even sure what to say about this other than these two morons should be facing a bit more than animal cruelty charges. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/2 "2009-06-19T23:11:56Z")
Yeah, they also need to be charged with Wasting Ammunition and Being Horrible Shots. Ten shots with a .22 to kill a puppy? Seriously? One ought to do it. I’m a bit confused about why it’s bad to skin a dead puppy, though. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/3 "2009-06-19T23:17:33Z")
A couple of things come to mind. How much hide is left after you pump ten bullets into a JRT puppy? That’s maybe a six or seven pound dog. Would it still be animal cruelty if the method of execution were humane, say a single shot to the head, and the animal was preserved by a taxidermist? I’m just wondering. For the record, I have two JRTs and a Rottweiller, and am the caretaker for many more dogs as well as cats. I think what they did was horrible, I’m just unsure what the law is about this. ---
**Author:** ![Nanoda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Nanoda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanoda)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/4 "2009-06-19T23:20:25Z")
> [@](#): > > shot the terrier 10 times […] and nailed the hide to a board. You know, it says she wanted to make a belt, but that’s a lot of holes even for that. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Harmonious\_Discord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/74df32/32.png) [@Harmonious\_Discord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonious_Discord)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/5 "2009-06-19T23:22:23Z")
It’s not any different than killing any other animal. Either it’s not a problem or it is for you. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/6 "2009-06-19T23:36:53Z")
Yeah there is no big deal about killing a puppy unless you are against furs and leathers as a whole. Killing it in ten shots is ridiculous though. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Scrivener](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@The\_Scrivener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Scrivener)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/7 "2009-06-19T23:37:28Z")
Maybe they’re industrial rock fans who misheard the name [_Skinny Puppy_](http://www.discogs.com/artist/Skinny+Puppy)…? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/8 "2009-06-19T23:41:02Z")
> [@Clovernook](#): > > Story [here](http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6488408.html) > > I’m not even sure what to say about this other than these two morons should be facing a bit more than animal cruelty charges. Why? ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/9 "2009-06-20T00:00:39Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Yeah there is no big deal about killing a puppy unless you are against furs and leathers as a whole. > > Killing it in ten shots is ridiculous though. Despite of what a person may feel about animal rights, I think there’s a huge difference in wearing leather belts and/or shoes and this kind of stuff. I’m sure this girl had PLENTY of belts. This was malicious, and unnecessary. Crazy. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/10 "2009-06-20T00:02:56Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Why? Three scenarios: 1. You shoot and kill someone 2. You shoot and kill someone, and skin them 3. You shoot and kill someone 20 times, and skin them Should the punishment be the same for all three cases? I’m pretty sure judgement is often made as to not only the type of crime you committed, but your actions during and after, at least I think, speaks volume of your sanity. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/11 "2009-06-20T00:06:10Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > 1. You shoot and kill someone 20 times, and skin them That is one tough son of a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/12 "2009-06-20T00:11:12Z")
I’m going to speculate that the puppy died from the first shot and started twitching and spasming as fresh corpses are wont to do and whoever was holding the pistol, having never witnessed death throes, freaked out and emptied the magazine into it. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/13 "2009-06-20T00:12:10Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > That is one tough son of a bitch. True… Let’s make it: 1. You shoot someone 20 times, kill them, then skin them for a belt ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/14 "2009-06-20T00:13:19Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > Three scenarios: > > 1. You shoot and kill someone > 2. You shoot and kill someone, and skin them > 3. You shoot and kill someone 20 times, and skin them > Should the punishment be the same for all three cases? Yeah, except we’re not talking about killing a person. We’re talking about killing an animal. Why is killing a puppy to make a belt actionable, but killing a chicken to make dinner okay? ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/15 "2009-06-20T00:16:17Z")
That one’s easy. Chicken tastes fucking good. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/16 "2009-06-20T00:18:27Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Why is killing a puppy to make a belt actionable, but killing a chicken to make dinner okay? A dog’s got personality. ---
**Author:** ![Harmonious\_Discord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/74df32/32.png) [@Harmonious\_Discord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonious_Discord)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/17 "2009-06-20T00:39:17Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Despite of what a person may feel about animal rights, I think there’s a huge difference in wearing leather belts and/or shoes and this kind of stuff. I’m sure this girl had PLENTY of belts. This was malicious, and unnecessary. > > Crazy. Because she had other belts it’s cruel? That’s ridiculous. Cruelness is what you do to the dog when alive. Filleting the dog before shooting it would have been sadistic, cruel and unnecessary. Shooting it dead and skinning it was the same as shooting a cow and butchering it. It’s not good they had to shoot it 10 times, but that’s probably due to inexperience. I’m not saying it was good they shot it 10 times or that I wanted it to happen to the dog. I’m just saying it’s done to animals everyday for the products people want and a puppy is no different. ---
**Author:** ![StaudtCJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@StaudtCJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StaudtCJ)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/18 "2009-06-20T00:39:41Z")
Dog tastes good too. I’m as horrified by this as I am by slaughtering elephants in Africa solely for their tusks. Now, if they had cooked and eaten the puppy, made glue from the little bones, made sausages with the intestines, and cured the hide for a belt, I’d be much less unhappy. They didn’t do that. They killed a puppy for its pelt. Bad form, I say. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/19 "2009-06-20T00:42:00Z")
> [@Harmonious\_Discord](#): > > I’m not saying it was good they shot it 10 times or that I wanted it to happen to the dog. I’m just saying it’s done to animals everyday for the products people want and a puppy is no different. Perhaps in your mind it’s no different, but apparently under the law there is a difference. Animal cruelty statutes don’t exist for no reason. ---
**Author:** ![geezermom67](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@geezermom67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/geezermom67)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/20 "2009-06-20T00:42:28Z")
> [@Harmonious\_Discord](#): > > It’s not any different than killing any other animal. Either it’s not a problem or it is for you. I’m one of those annoying vegan types and I’d have to agree. It’s sad, but not something a whole lot worse than what happens to lots of other animals. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346.md?page=2)