# Oklahoma Couple Kills Puppy, Tans Hide **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346 "2009-06-19T23:05:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/21 "2009-06-20T00:45:18Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Yeah there is no big deal about killing a puppy unless you are against furs and leathers as a whole. > > Killing it in ten shots is ridiculous though. Killing a puppy is no big deal? It tells us a lot about them. It tells us even more about you. It was a depraved act. I am sure glad you approve. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/22 "2009-06-20T00:46:31Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Perhaps in your mind it’s no different, but apparently under the law there is a difference. Animal cruelty statutes don’t exist for no reason. I don’t think the existence of a law is, in and of itself, a justification for that law. Oh, look, **gonzo** ’s here. I thought I felt a drop in the mean IQ of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/23 "2009-06-20T00:48:50Z")
> [@The\_Scrivener](#): > > Maybe they’re industrial rock fans who misheard the name [_Skinny Puppy_](http://www.discogs.com/artist/Skinny+Puppy)…? :rolleyes: Umm, why would they be fans of a band who writes almost exclusively about how terrible animal torture is? ---
**Author:** ![Harmonious\_Discord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/74df32/32.png) [@Harmonious\_Discord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonious_Discord)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/24 "2009-06-20T00:51:19Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Perhaps in your mind it’s no different, but apparently under the law there is a difference. Animal cruelty statutes don’t exist for no reason. Yes, that doesn’t make killing one animal different from another animal of similar brain complexity. Some people have gotten special penalties passed for a specific animal, but that doesn’t change the morality of it, just the legal ramifications. I’m speaking of morality. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/25 "2009-06-20T00:55:45Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I don’t think the existence of a law is, in and of itself, a justification for that law. I don’t think it is either. But one way killing a puppy is different from slaughtering a chicken is that you might get arrested and put in jail for killing a puppy. You might not. I asked up thread about that because I really don’t know where the line is drawn. Clearly, I can kill my pet if I want to. I can even get a doctor to do it for me. It seems, though, that shooting a puppy ten times with a .22 to make a belt out of it crosses that line. At least in Muskogee Oklahoma. And I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that Muskogee is not at the forefront of the animal rights movement. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/26 "2009-06-20T00:59:22Z")
> [@Harmonious\_Discord](#): > > Yes, that doesn’t make killing one animal different from another animal of similar brain complexity. Some people have gotten special penalties passed for a specific animal, but that doesn’t change the morality of it, just the legal ramifications. I’m speaking of morality. I hardly think that a cow has similar brain complexity to a dog, but leaving that aside, riddling a cow with bullets in order to slaughter it for human consumption is most certainly not done ever day. I suspect that too would be against the law. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/27 "2009-06-20T00:59:43Z")
> [@Harmonious\_Discord](#): > > Because she had other belts it’s cruel? That’s ridiculous. Cruelness is what you do to the dog when alive. Filleting the dog before shooting it would have been sadistic, cruel and unnecessary. Shooting it dead and skinning it was the same as shooting a cow and butchering it. It’s not good they had to shoot it 10 times, but that’s probably due to inexperience. I’m not saying it was good they shot it 10 times or that I wanted it to happen to the dog. I’m just saying it’s done to animals everyday for the products people want and a puppy is no different. I’m saying it takes a certain person to do this. I’m not weighing in on the value one animal’s life or another. I personally admit to being hypocrite by saying I don’t want to kill the chicken I eat. Now that I think about it, the harder it is to defend. But let’s not kid ourselves, this was done with malice, and lack of empathy. Do some farmers get the jollys out of slaughtering their animals, I don’t know… maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/28 "2009-06-20T01:04:27Z")
> [@StaudtCJ](#): > > Dog tastes good too. I’m as horrified by this as I am by slaughtering elephants in Africa solely for their tusks. Now, if they had cooked and eaten the puppy, made glue from the little bones, made sausages with the intestines, and cured the hide for a belt, I’d be much less unhappy. They didn’t do that. They killed a puppy for its pelt. Bad form, I say. Would you like me to post some links that show how dog for food is prepared? Although it’s illegal in South Korea, there are plenty of “boshintang” restauarants serving up “stamina stew,” and taste doesn’t have a thing to do with why Korean men eat the stuff. The more the dog suffers, the happier the consumer is. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/29 "2009-06-20T01:04:37Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Killing a puppy is no big deal? It tells us a lot about them. It tells us even more about you. It was a depraved act. I am sure glad you approve. Well it’s not worse than killing a mink or an ermine for their pelt. You guys are just sentimental because it’s a puppy. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/30 "2009-06-20T01:06:48Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Killing a puppy is no big deal? It tells us a lot about them. It tells us even more about you. It was a depraved act. I am sure glad you approve. This tells me more about you than his comment tells you about him. What my comment tell him about me, though, I couldn’t even guess. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/31 "2009-06-20T01:09:21Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Well it’s not worse than killing a mink or an ermine for their pelt. > > You guys are just sentimental because it’s a puppy. So what of humans for belt? I’m genuinely curious about your answer, and I’m not always smart enough to fan the BBQ flames. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/32 "2009-06-20T01:13:16Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > A dog’s got personality. \ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/33 "2009-06-20T01:16:44Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > So what of humans for belt? Silly rabbit - puppies for belt, humans for suspenders. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/34 "2009-06-20T01:18:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Silly rabbit - puppies for belt, humans for suspenders. Whew… being a rabbit, I’m not too concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/35 "2009-06-20T01:20:12Z")
Merle Haggard wrote a song about this a long time ago: We don’t smoke marijuana in Muskogee; We don’t take our trips on LSD We don’t burn our draft cards down on Main Street; We like livin’ right, and bein’ free. Leather belts are still in style for female fashion; Synthetic belts won’t be seen. Animal cruelty is still the roughest thing in town, And the kids here still respect the chief of police. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/36 "2009-06-20T01:23:36Z")
Wow. Merle’s a dick. ---
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/37 "2009-06-20T01:26:40Z")
So the law has finally caught up to Cruella de Vil. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/38 "2009-06-20T01:27:25Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Wow. > > Merle’s a dick. Why? Because he said animal cruelty is the roughest thing in town? That means they don’t have gang problems and other such things, that the worst thing people do is be mean to animals. He’s not being a dick at all. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/39 "2009-06-20T01:27:56Z")
Okay, how many here _don’t_ believe that the cretins-in-question weren’t going to send the belt to the ex with a nifty little note about its origin? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346/40 "2009-06-20T01:28:44Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > So what of humans for belt? > I’m genuinely curious about your answer, and I’m not always smart enough to fan the BBQ flames. Human beings are a separate class of creature. We shouldn’t kill humans because we are humans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-couple-kills-puppy-tans-hide/500346.md?page=3)