# Oklahoma governor says he wanted rape/incest exception in abortion ban. Didn't get it, but HE SIGNED IT ANYWAY **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 27, 2021, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-governor-says-he-wanted-rape-incest-exception-in-abortion-ban-didnt-get-it-but-he-signed-it-anyway/940824 "2021-04-27T01:58:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2021, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-governor-says-he-wanted-rape-incest-exception-in-abortion-ban-didnt-get-it-but-he-signed-it-anyway/940824/61 "2021-04-30T19:48:21Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Hi Spice\_Weasel. Thank you and just to restate what I put above I am playing devil’s advocate here, it is not my belief, but I have to admit it was at one time (till God showed me I was dead wrong). I did hesitate a bit and considered relinquishing my role here as devil’s advocate knowing how emotional this issue can be, however since this is the pit and I don’t want to treat women with kid gloves and infantize them, I have made the decision to do the jerk thing and continue. I do feel for your miscarrage, but the devil calls… So you believe God himself told you that this entire argument is wrong. **Yet you continue to argue it.** Even though you know it is wrong—that God himself has rejected your argument—you continue to try and convince others that it is true. You claim you are being a “Devil’s advocate.” That would mean you’re putting forth a position that you think the opposition might **for the purposes of proving it wrong.** Yet when people provide counterarguments, you then come up with increasingly stretched and illogical reasoning for why they are wrong, and your position is right. That’s not devil’s advocate. That’s just you arguing on behalf of the Devil. You know that God has told you that this is a lie. Like all lies, it comes from the Father of lies. And yet you continue to argue for him. You say it facetiously, but it appears to be literal. You are in fact choosing to do what the Devil calls you to do, rather than uphold what God told you. I will only argue once more against you. A full-term pregnancy is not an inherent consequence of sex. Thus arguing that consenting to one is consenting to the other is wrong. You can’t appeal to the Bible, and apparently God himself told you you were wrong. So stop posting to hurt others. Stop following Satan’s orders instead of God. Care about others, and care about your own eternal soul. Don’t be like the Trump worshipers who gave up on both of those. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-governor-says-he-wanted-rape-incest-exception-in-abortion-ban-didnt-get-it-but-he-signed-it-anyway/940824/62 "2021-04-30T20:13:10Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > you have ability of autonomy over your own body to have any substance put up inside you Does ‘any substance’ include medical tools, or RU-486? Because if it does, I think we’re in complete agreement. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-governor-says-he-wanted-rape-incest-exception-in-abortion-ban-didnt-get-it-but-he-signed-it-anyway/940824/63 "2021-04-30T21:28:31Z")
Caution quote segments ahead… > [@BigT](#): > > Even though you know it is wrong—that God himself has rejected your argument—you continue to try and convince others that it is true. I’m trying to explore it, not convince anyone. > [@BigT](#): > > You claim you are being a “Devil’s advocate.” That would mean you’re putting forth a position that you think the opposition might **for the purposes of proving it wrong.** Part of the definition includes ‘or expose it to thorough examination’, so yes it fits as that is exactly what I am doing. > [@BigT](#): > > Yet when people provide counterarguments, you then come up with increasingly stretched and illogical reasoning for why they are wrong, and your position is right. Actually no, and that’s the interesting part. In a society who values equality, responsibility and morality but without God is all I have been advocating from the beginning. The counterarguments have been stretched. > [@BigT](#): > > That’s just you arguing on behalf of the Devil. So you name Ol’ scratch more by name here, and what I am doing is exactly fits the definition of devil’s advocate, yet you claim I am not doing that? > [@BigT](#): > > You know that God has told you that this is a lie. Yes it is a lie. But I am free to explore it as it is a real issue and has been in history. Such is the power of Christ in me. > [@BigT](#): > > You are in fact choosing to do what the Devil calls you to do, rather than uphold what God told you. If you want to rebuke me go ahead, if you want to pray for me that’s fine too. It is the pit after all. I am exploring abortion on demand on the basis of morality, san Theo/theos. Yes this is the devil’s viewpoint, yes will lead to problems, but seems morally consistent within those constraints. My question has become is God needed to preserve abortion on demand rights moving towards a society that values equality, morality and responsibility. Thus it is God who is on the side of abortion on demand and why we have it. Or in other words God gives and preserves abortion rights. > [@BigT](#): > > You can’t appeal to the Bible, and apparently God himself told you you were wrong. I have not in my role here, just basic human morality, equality and responsibility. > [@BigT](#): > > So stop posting to hurt others. This is the part that I initially hesitated with, I know it had the potential to reopen wounds. Then with Spice\_Weasel’s posting I again hesitated. My intent is not to harm, but to learn and explore. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-governor-says-he-wanted-rape-incest-exception-in-abortion-ban-didnt-get-it-but-he-signed-it-anyway/940824/64 "2021-04-30T21:29:01Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Does ‘any substance’ include medical tools, or RU-486? Because if it does, I think we’re in complete agreement. As long as you don’t harm anyone else, smoke up. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2021, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-governor-says-he-wanted-rape-incest-exception-in-abortion-ban-didnt-get-it-but-he-signed-it-anyway/940824/65 "2021-04-30T21:34:11Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Or in other words God gives and preserves abortion rights. Just to state this was not my intent going into this and was not even on my mind, just where it lead. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2021, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-governor-says-he-wanted-rape-incest-exception-in-abortion-ban-didnt-get-it-but-he-signed-it-anyway/940824/66 "2021-05-01T01:52:43Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > And if they include rape and incest exceptions out of political expediency, that means they rate political expediency more important than preventing murder. But this can be looked at as “harm reduction”. Better to prevent some “baby murders” than to prevent none of them. If I felt that all abortions are murders (I don’t, I’m pro-choice) I know that I would prefer avoiding as many abortions as possible and I would be glad to make political concessions if it meant that _some_ abortions (rather than none) would be avoided. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oklahoma-governor-says-he-wanted-rape-incest-exception-in-abortion-ban-didnt-get-it-but-he-signed-it-anyway/940824.md?page=3)