# Olbermann calls for Bush & Cheney to resign **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2007, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513 "2007-07-04T18:00:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2007, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/201 "2007-07-06T22:24:46Z")
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308] Look, I agree that stuff is fucked up, but I’d be willing to bet the farm that there were teams and teams of highly paid lawyers (on our dime of course) that found the necessary interpretations and loopholes to make it happen. In as far as torture, Bush’s regime ain’t the first, and wont be the last, don’t kid yourself. [/quote] Actually, according to NPR _any_ accounts of torture during Vietnam were _vigorously_ prosecuted. Yeah, no doubt it happened in times past, and certainly you can make an argument that actions done in the past by military officials which were seen as acceptable _then_, would be considered torture _now_. The point being that it was made _official policy of the Administration in the pursuit of an unjust war._ As for them having teams of lawyers going over everything in advance: So what? Lawyers can spin _anything_ to suit their needs, knowing that it doesn’t mean squat until it gets hashed out in court. Good Christ, they went to Ashcroft _while he was in the hospital, trying to get him to sign off on the warrantless wiretaps even though he’d **temporarily transferred his authority** because the acting Attorney General wouldn’t agree to them!_ They hoped that Ashcroft in his addled state would reverse himself and agree to the shit. He _didn’t_, and as I understand it, it wasn’t until Alberto “I can’t recall” Gonzales took office they got someone in power to sign off on it. > [@](#): > > Point is, all any of these balloon milkers need is honest-to-god, no shit, hold-it-in-your-hand proof of something, anything (even a blue dress) and viola! Let the impeachment begin. They. Have. Nothing. Nothing but a highly acute sense of moral outrage and general anger at the really horrible shit our country is responsible for under GeeDub’s watch. > > Outrage and anger don’t feed the bulldog. Horseshit don’t either. The Dems have a miniscule majority in the Senate, and so far, the Republican members of Congress have demonstrated a willingness to go alonq with almost _anything_ this Administration shits out. That is only just now slowly starting to change. Had Clinton pulled this kind of crap while he was in office, you bet the Republicans would have been filing impeachment charges against him (remember the whole Monica Lewinski thing turned on the use of **one** word), but because Shrub’s a member of their party, they’re _not_ likely to turn against him, _unless_ the American people start holding their feet to the fire and saying, “This asshole needs to go.” Then, and _only_ then, will they stand up and do what they’re _supposed to._ Sadly, we have a government not of laws, but of men. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2007, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/202 "2007-07-06T22:26:06Z")
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308] Oooh fuck that sticks in my craw. Whenever there’s some sordid political scandal some (or some group of) fuckwits tacks the obligatory -gate on the end of it. Fuck I hate that shit. It was called Watergate because of WHERE it was, not WHAT it was. Plamegate, how fucking stupid. [/QUOTE] I dislike it, too. Hey, how come the Clinton Whitewater “scandal” wasn’t called Whitewatergate? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2007, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/203 "2007-07-06T22:35:58Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Hey, how come the Clinton Whitewater “scandal” wasn’t called Whitewatergate? 🙂 [/QUOTE] Well, the Travel Office foofaraw _was_ called Travelgate. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2007, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/204 "2007-07-06T22:36:45Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I dislike it, too. Hey, how come the Clinton Whitewater “scandal” wasn’t called Whitewatergate? 🙂 [/QUOTE] It probably was, at some point in some paper. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2007, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/205 "2007-07-06T22:45:21Z")
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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2007, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/206 "2007-07-06T22:51:27Z")
Whassamatter, **Inigo** , somebody kill your father? Use a word in a way that suggests they’re not aware of the actual definition? Show you a supernumerary digit? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2007, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/207 "2007-07-06T22:57:43Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Well, the Travel Office foofaraw _was_ called Travelgate. [/QUOTE] You didn’t get my joke. Now you’ve hurt my feelings. 😉 Yes, and the Monica scandal was called Monicagate and the FBI files scandal was called Filegate, etc. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2007, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/208 "2007-07-06T23:13:18Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] You didn’t get my joke. Now you’ve hurt my feelings. 😉 [/QUOTE] :smack: Blame “just-home-from-work” fatigue! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2007, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/209 "2007-07-06T23:30:00Z")
Early onset Budweiser’s. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/210 "2007-07-07T01:32:27Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Hey, how come the Clinton Whitewater “scandal” wasn’t called Whitewatergate? 🙂 [/QUOTE] I recall that it was a few times early on, but a 14-letter word doesn’t make for a zippy headline and just calling it “Whitewater” was sufficient. Natural selection and all. There are lots of quippy names for things that might seem clever but don’t capture the public attention because they’re too cumbersome or dull, with an easier, more memorable label being attached even if it’s incorrect. Nobody calls the hijacker “Dan Cooper”, though that was the (almost certainly false) name he used, but an early suspect named “D.B. Cooper” is now permanently though wrongly linked to the story. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/211 "2007-07-07T01:39:37Z")
I’m still waiting for a scandal with the current Sec. of Defense to happen. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/212 "2007-07-07T02:45:04Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m still waiting for a scandal with the current Sec. of Defense to happen. To all GatesGate mothafucka! To all GatesGate goddamn! ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/213 "2007-07-07T04:56:25Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] And how’s the approval rating for Congress, the same or lower. And that’s with Ms. Pelosi/Mr. Reid running the show. [/QUOTE] What has this got to do with the competence of Mr. Bush? Please tell me. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/214 "2007-07-07T17:06:51Z")
[QUOTE=bannerrefugee] Please tell me. [/QUOTE] “Look over there!” That’s what it has to do with Bush. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/215 "2007-07-07T17:10:56Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] “Look over there!” That’s what it has to do with Bush. [/QUOTE] Yeah. Ignore that mugging going on in front of you, there’s a little boy pissing on a tree over there. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@bob\_co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_co)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/216 "2007-07-07T18:03:16Z")
That is some of the funniest whiniest punk sore looser stuff that I have ever heard. MSNBC put it on the air no less. Here is a thought… Take those powers from the president. Don’t allow gerrymandering. Take away all that is sought after for purely political purposes. You know that isn’t going to happen, becuase so far, everyone gets their turn to do it and mine or yours is next. The BIG difference that I see is the ability to cry cry cry when its the political party of the education, unions and media that has it’s day in the barrel. For me and the movers and the shakers, I just have to lick those luscious tears of agaony. LOL LOL LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Sweetums](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/217 "2007-07-07T18:23:25Z")
Since this is the current Bush Bashing thread, I thought I’d post this little tidbit in here. [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070707/ap\_on\_go\_pr\_wh/bush](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070707/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush) ``` Yes good old Georgie boy is calling congress out for their failures. Perhaps, they have failed, but since Bush has no successes to his credit, this goes so far beyond pot/kettle that we have moved out of the kitchen and into the garden shed next door. My favorit tidbit: from Bush "Democrats are failing in their responsibility to make tough decisions and spend the people's money wisely," Failing to spend money wisely? Look at the deficit that this idiot and his merry bad of assholes have run up and tell me how he gets to say ANYTHING about anyone not spending money wisely. Hell, there's a begger outside the local K-mart that can manage money better than Gee-Dub. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/218 "2007-07-07T18:45:48Z")
[QUOTE=Sweetums] Yes good old Georgie boy is calling congress out for their failures. [/QUOTE] Did the boy wonder extend any credit to the Democrats for cleaning up the [2007 budget mess left by fleeing Republicans](http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/04/washington/04lame.html?ex=1322888400&en=f7a24e6c0be66215&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss)? You can’t very well start on _next_ years budget, until you finish with _this_ years budget. For that matter, did Bush give the dems any credit for taking the time to pass an _emergency_ funding measure for a war that should have been rolled into the standard budgetary process _years_ ago? Of course he didn’t. That’s because he’s an utter wanker who’ll say _anything_ in an attempt to distract voters from his own obvious failings. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/219 "2007-07-07T19:15:44Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] The BIG difference that I see is the ability to cry cry cry when its the political party of the education, unions and media that has it’s day in the barrel. [/QUOTE] **Media?!!** The Dems are **not** the party of the media! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/220 "2007-07-07T19:25:57Z")
Of course. The two pillars of Republican thought are: 1. We are the real Americans, the populists, the stalwart majority that makes our nation great. Democrats are the fringe, the radicals, the elites. 2. We are the victims. Everyone is out to get us. Either one of these is a great way to rally people. Together, they’re brilliant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513.md?page=12)