# Olbermann calls for Bush & Cheney to resign **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2007, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513 "2007-07-04T18:00:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/221 "2007-07-07T20:26:14Z")
[QUOTE=Robot Arm] Of course. The two pillars of Republican thought are: 1. We are the real Americans, the populists, the stalwart majority that makes our nation great. Democrats are the fringe, the radicals, the elites. 2. We are the victims. Everyone is out to get us. Either one of these is a great way to rally people. Together, they’re brilliant. [/QUOTE] But how the hell can any sane, rational person hold both views simultaneously? :smack: Guess I answered my own question, huh? ---
**Author:** ![bob\_co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@bob\_co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_co)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/222 "2007-07-07T22:05:18Z")
Tax cuts. If there is one thing that this president did, it was tax cuts. Even though he spent like a democrat, he gave $600 back to everyone and that money got spent and proves a siple point. Reaganomics. The only job of the federal government should be national defence. He tried. I don’t like the terrorist world view as much as the next guy and I’m not sure I would have done better. Bombing the Islams up 500 or 1000 years into the stone age isn’t a bad idea. Other than that… I am the conservative base and that man doesn’t represent me. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/223 "2007-07-07T22:18:21Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] Tax cuts. If there is one thing that this president did, it was tax cuts. Even though he spent like a democrat, he gave $600 back to everyone and that money got spent and proves a siple point. Reaganomics. [/quote] The jury is still out, you know, on the net effect of W’s tax cuts on the domestic economy. WRT to its effect on the federal budget deficit, the picture is much clearer. [QUOTE=bob\_co] Bombing the Islams up 500 or 1000 years into the stone age isn’t a bad idea. [/QUOTE] Errmm . . . yes, it is, **bob.** The more primitive they are, the more dangerous they are. (It’s “Muslims,” BTW, not “Islams.”) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/224 "2007-07-07T23:02:17Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] Tax cuts. If there is one thing that this president did, it was tax cuts. [/quote] Yes, the president certainly did that. Of all the things that have been done, tax cuts are a thing that belongs under the “Bush Did It” column. But the question is, what are the _good_ things the president did. Cutting taxes in the middle of a war is not a good thing. It is, in fact, a staggeringly stupid thing to do, and our military is dying for it right now. Good job, Mr. Bush. > [@](#): > > Even though he spent like a democrat, he gave $600 back to everyone and that money got spent and proves a siple point. Reaganomics. Okay, “Reaganomics” isn’t a point. What did he prove _about_ Reaganomics? Nothing that we didn’t already know: it leads to short term prosperity at the cost of staggering long term debt. > [@](#): > > The only job of the federal government should be national defence. He tried. No, he didn’t. He invaded a sovereign nation that posed absolutely no threat to us, and the bill has added up to more lives and money lost than 9/11, without accomplishing a single damned thing in Iraq, except to make everything that was bad about that country a hundred times worse. Oh, and he managed to turn a contained, crippled, ineffective nation into a breeding ground for terrorists with a suddenly justified mad hate-on for our country. National security my fat ass. > [@](#): > > I don’t like the terrorist world view as much as the next guy and I’m not sure I would have done better. Bombing the Islams up 500 or 1000 years into the stone age isn’t a bad idea. “The Islams?” What the fuck is wrong with you? > [@](#): > > Other than that.. I am the conservative base and that man doesn’t represent me. Well, it’s good to see that he’s done such a wholly incompetent job in the White House that he’s losing support even among the tardcore right. I mean, you’re a jingoistic psychopath with the apparent education of a third grader, and he doesn’t represent you? If not you, who _does_ he represent anymore? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/225 "2007-07-07T23:08:29Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] If not you, who _does_ he represent anymore? [/QUOTE] ExxonMobil, Halliburton, etc. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/226 "2007-07-07T23:28:53Z")
And this just in… > **[39% Favor Impeaching Bush](https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/39_favor_impeaching_bush)** > > Thirty-nine percent (39%) of Americans now believe that President Bush should be impeached and removed from office. **39% Favor Impeaching Bush** Imagine that! 39% of the nation is comprised of dirty fucking hippies! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/227 "2007-07-07T23:36:38Z")
I’ll have you know I took a shower this morning! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/228 "2007-07-07T23:37:58Z")
Good point! It’s not just sex, drugs and rock 'n roll, there’s also tofu! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/229 "2007-07-07T23:48:46Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Good point! It’s not just sex, drugs and rock 'n roll, there’s also tofu! [/QUOTE] Tofu? I think I just turned into a neo-con. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/230 "2007-07-07T23:50:13Z")
Oh, good God, **Miller** , you don’t have to _eat_ the stuff! Just urge others to! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/231 "2007-07-08T00:15:57Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] And this just in… > **[39% Favor Impeaching Bush](https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/39_favor_impeaching_bush)** > > Thirty-nine percent (39%) of Americans now believe that President Bush should be impeached and removed from office. **39% Favor Impeaching Bush** Imagine that! 39% of the nation is comprised of dirty fucking hippies! [/QUOTE] Hey, the more they fuck, the more of them there are, ya know. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/232 "2007-07-08T00:30:48Z")
Shhhh! Ixnay on the anplay! ---
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/233 "2007-07-08T04:34:18Z")
Fuck Olbermann, grandstanding wanker. ---
**Author:** ![DirtyHippy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dirtyhippy/32/107_2.png) [@DirtyHippy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DirtyHippy)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/234 "2007-07-08T10:35:24Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Imagine that! 39% of the nation is comprised of dirty fucking hippies! [/QUOTE] I didn’t know I had a middle name. DirtFuckingHippy ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/235 "2007-07-08T18:00:02Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Yes, the president certainly did that. Of all the things that have been done, tax cuts are a thing that belongs under the “Bush Did It” column. But the question is, what are the _good_ things the president did. Cutting taxes in the middle of a war is not a good thing. It is, in fact, a staggeringly stupid thing to do, and our military is dying for it right now. Good job, Mr. Bush. [/QUOTE] Wasn’t the original $600 rebate actually Congress’s doing? As I recall, Bush’s tax cuts weren’t going to go into effect until the next time people paid their taxes, and Congress went the extra step of giving refunds for the previous time. Of course, Bush would have had to sign the plan into law. I’m guessing nuance isn’t exactly **bob\_co** ’s strong suit, though. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/236 "2007-07-08T18:18:46Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] Here is a thought.. Take those powers from the president. Don’t allow gerrymandering. Take away all that is sought after for purely political purposes. You know that isn’t going to happen, becuase so far, everyone gets their turn to do it and mine or yours is next. [/QUOTE] FTR, I believe power of the presidency/executive vis-a-vis Congress has grown **dangerously** and should be curtailed, regardless of who the next POTUS may be. Yes, even if it’s Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2007, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/237 "2007-07-09T00:35:23Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] Bombing the Islams up 500 or 1000 years into the stone age isn’t a bad idea. … I am the conservative base [/QUOTE] The conservative base is composed of ignorant, bloodthirsty barbarians? Explains rather a lot, really. Thanks for enlightening us. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2007, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/238 "2007-07-09T08:31:53Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] Bombing the Islams up 500 or 1000 years into the stone age isn’t a bad idea. [/QUOTE] You can’t be a credible asshole psychopath if you can’t get the fucking basics right. One conducts American-style genocide by bombing enemies _back_ to the stone age, not _up_ to it. Plus the stone age was a lot more than 1000 years ago. All your pissant suggestion is going to do is bomb them back to, well, the High Middle Ages, I guess. Plus they’re not “Islams”, they’re towelheads. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2007, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/239 "2007-07-09T12:22:43Z")
[QUOTE=Princhester] Plus they’re not “Islams”, they’re towelheads. [/QUOTE] Really? I thought the correct term was “dunecoons.” ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2007, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/240 "2007-07-09T12:41:51Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Actually, according to NPR _any_ accounts of torture during Vietnam were _vigorously_ prosecuted. Yeah, no doubt it happened in times past, and certainly you can make an argument that actions done in the past by military officials which were seen as acceptable _then_, would be considered torture _now_. The point being that it was made _official policy of the Administration in the pursuit of an unjust war._ As for them having teams of lawyers going over everything in advance: So what? Lawyers can spin _anything_ to suit their needs, knowing that it doesn’t mean squat until it gets hashed out in court. Good Christ, they went to Ashcroft _while he was in the hospital, trying to get him to sign off on the warrantless wiretaps even though he’d **temporarily transferred his authority** because the acting Attorney General wouldn’t agree to them!_ They hoped that Ashcroft in his addled state would reverse himself and agree to the shit. He _didn’t_, and as I understand it, it wasn’t until Alberto “I can’t recall” Gonzales took office they got someone in power to sign off on it. [/QUOTE] Sure, torture was made official policy, but we had HUAC then too, it was a more backward time, then, and unfortunately, some of the people that were around for that war, are still around for this one, and are willing to give the idea a second life. Still… Torture has been both an official and unofficial means of interrogation since the beginning of interrogations. There will never be a clear intersection between action and policy when it comes to torture, because like it or not, in some cases, torture works. I don’t agree with it. I don’t like that fact, but there’s no other way to explain why CIA spooks are trained to withstand torture. I know, I know, the warrantless wiretap thing was/is a giant ball of bullshit, and the crooks in charge used every measure at their disposal to make it happen, but honestly, that’s how they got into power in the first place, so as outrageous as it is, it’s by no means a suprise. I’ll even go so far as to say that the first “election” of George W. Bush was the harbinger of what will be the eventual downfall of the American political system. [QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Horseshit don’t either. The Dems have a miniscule majority in the Senate, and so far, the Republican members of Congress have demonstrated a willingness to go alonq with almost _anything_ this Administration shits out. That is only just now slowly starting to change. Had Clinton pulled this kind of crap while he was in office, you bet the Republicans would have been filing impeachment charges against him (remember the whole Monica Lewinski thing turned on the use of **one** word), but because Shrub’s a member of their party, they’re _not_ likely to turn against him, _unless_ the American people start holding their feet to the fire and saying, “This asshole needs to go.” Then, and _only_ then, will they stand up and do what they’re _supposed to._ Sadly, we have a government not of laws, but of men. [/QUOTE] It’s only starting to change because the pubbies are in fear for their political lives, but it’s been 8 years, we’ve had this same pair of republican pants on for too long now, and we’re starting to chafe. The democrats are going to win this, especially if they put Obama (or God forbid Hillary) on the block. 8 Years from now though, we’ll be right back here chewing up the same cud from a different bucket about the failings of healthcare, or social programs or whatever. Same shit, different flies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513.md?page=13)