# Olbermann calls for Bush & Cheney to resign **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2007, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513 "2007-07-04T18:00:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/261 "2007-07-10T03:20:23Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Ken Starr: Began by investigating a sleazy real estate deal in Arkansas that took place before Clinton was president. Found nothing to incriminate anyone in the Administration. Ended by investigating the president’s sex life, backing him into a corner where he perjured himself. Pat Fitzgerald: Began by investigating an act of political retaliation directly connected to a lie that was used to lead the U.S. into war. Ended by nailing an official who committed perjury in coverup of same. Do you really, honestly see any equivalency here, **Weirddave?** Do you even see any **similarity?** If you do, you have an incurable case of retrocranial inversion. [/QUOTE] Oh bullshit. The only person with their head up their ass is you, but that’s where you usually put it to look at the world through your partisan colored glasses. Bill Clinton: Not guilty of breaking any laws in Whitewater, hounded until he made a statement that was perjury. Complete bullshit. Scooter Libby: Not guilty of breaking any laws in Plamegate, hounded until he made enough statements that a dishonest prosecutor could trump up a perjury charge when one didn’t exactly match another he had made months earlier. Complete bullshit. AND THEY’RE EXACTLY THE SAME THING-prosecutors running amuck when they can’t prove their original charges. Assholes stink whether they are Democratic assholes or Republican assholes. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/262 "2007-07-10T03:28:06Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Oh bullshit. The only person with their head up their ass is you, but that’s where you usually put it to look at the world through your partisan colored glasses. Bill Clinton: Not guilty of breaking any laws in Whitewater, hounded until he made a statement that was perjury. Complete bullshit. Scooter Libby: Not guilty of breaking any laws in Plamegate, hounded until he made enough statements that a dishonest prosecutor could trump up a perjury charge when one didn’t exactly match another he had made months earlier. Complete bullshit. AND THEY’RE EXACTLY THE SAME THING-prosecutors running amuck when they can’t prove their original charges. Assholes stink whether they are Democratic assholes or Republican assholes. [/QUOTE] The diagnosis is confirmed. You are, of course, free to seek a second opinion, but do not neglect to begin treatment immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/263 "2007-07-10T03:44:41Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Scooter Libby: Not guilty of breaking any laws in Plamegate, hounded until he made enough statements that a dishonest prosecutor could trump up a perjury charge when one didn’t exactly match another he had made months earlier. [/QUOTE] According to [this timeline](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2005/10/29/GR2005102900242.html) > [@](#): > > **Sep 26, 2003** > The Justice Department authorized the FBI to open a criminal investigation into alleged leaks of Plame’s covert identity. > > **Oct 14 and Nov 26** > FbI investigators interviewed Libby on these dates. According to the indictment, Libby lied during the interviews. So Libby wasn’t ‘hounded’ into lying by any ‘dishonest prosecutor.’ Libby lied as soon as he he got the opportunity to lie. That proactive approach on his part is probably why he got convicted of obstruction of justice _in addition to_ the perjury charge. The case was pretty open and shut when you compare it to the multiyear, multisubject witchhunt the Republicans had to conduct in order to get any shit to cling to Clinton. Now you might have something if Clinton had lied right off about Whitewater, but he didn’t, did he? ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/264 "2007-07-10T03:47:10Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] .Bill Clinton: Not guilty of breaking any laws in Whitewater, hounded until he made a statement that was perjury. Complete bullshit. [/QUOTE] You pussy. Answer me. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/265 "2007-07-10T05:38:36Z")
[QUOTE=bannerrefugee] You pussy. Answer me. [/QUOTE] About what? Your question is a non sequitor. #1: My beef is with the conduct of the prosecutors and #2 Libby was never indicted for/ charged with / found guilty of ratting out CIA agents, while Bill Clinton did in fact lie about oral sex, so what’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/266 "2007-07-10T06:56:01Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] About what? Your question is a non sequitor. #1: My beef is with the conduct of the prosecutors and #2 Libby was never indicted for/ charged with / found guilty of ratting out CIA agents, while Bill Clinton did in fact lie about oral sex, so what’s your point? [/QUOTE] Do not neglect to begin treatment **immediately.** Your pathetic condition is sadly and tragically incurable, but symptom reduction remains a possibility, however distant. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/267 "2007-07-10T07:21:34Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] That little clip is going to be the very first thing I show my Government classes this fall. Beautiful. [/QUOTE] Quite so. Indoctrination opportunities don’t come along all that often! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/268 "2007-07-10T07:42:45Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] GIGObuster, oh I see. So it’s OK when the Democrats do it because the Bush regime is really evil and they probably deserve it anyway, but when the Pubbies do it it’s evil because Clinton is such a fine upstanding saint. :rolleyes: Why not condemn the practice as wrong no matter who wields the hammer? [/quote] Did not said that you simpleton, to me it would had been ok to discover the bad things Clinton did, (you know, that “eternal vigilance” thing) when after all that they had only a perjury charge as a result of him trying to hide his dalliances, I think Clinton got what he deserved. The problem was the insane effort done to get there. With a 10th of that effort, with a Republican prosecutor, that now more than ever I’m convinced he got pressured to look the other way (What, did you think the firings and pressure of republican prosecutors to hunt Democrats but leaving Republicans alone magically avoided touching Fitzgerald?) 2 Republicans staffers had to resign in disgrace. (Looking back I would not be surprised some other “to be with the family” “resignations” were really members of the WH staff finding how corrupt this White house is. (looks at Ari)) And it is clear that the festering cancer that is affecting the nation remains in the white house. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/269 "2007-07-10T07:58:36Z")
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308] The movie Reservoir Dogs illustrate the yin and yang of torture in two lines: Movie lines or not, both of these things are true. [/quote] Still looks the same: They will tell you anything to stop the pain. > [@](#): > > Now, Mr. Arar, the example in the NY’er article, is a civilian, assuming as the article and I both do, that he has no actual ties with terrorism, is not a terrorist, and was singled out just because of his indirect ties with a potential (or actual) terrorist. He was an unfortunate victim of what can be a necessary thing. The fact that the parents of this poor soul knew and warned him about the dangers of crossing paths with Syrian police speaks to the fact that torture (or at least the idea of it)works as an incentive NOT to be affiliated with the bad guys. As anyone can notice, you do not want to touch the fact that Bush approved the torture machinery that allowed the **false** information obtained to then be used to justify the Iraq war. > [@](#): > > Unfortunately, the incentive isn’t enough anymore, because in our rush to war, we’ve made enough enemies mad enough AT us, that no amount of propaganda or even actual torture is going to stop the next airplane from hitting the next tower. Sadly, I think you are partially correct here, the only difference is that us being so approving of torture is an item that then the enemy uses as a rallying call to arms that can influence even the Middle Eastern men that only a few years ago were just only disapproving of us. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/270 "2007-07-10T08:00:09Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] Quite so. Indoctrination opportunities don’t come along all that often! [/QUOTE] Yeah, so much for the “liberal media”. ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/271 "2007-07-11T03:22:00Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] About what? Your question is a non sequitor. #1: My beef is with the conduct of the prosecutors and #2 Libby was never indicted for/ charged with / found guilty of ratting out CIA agents, while Bill Clinton did in fact lie about oral sex, so what’s your point? [/QUOTE] Good answer, you pussy, my question was: Are you comparing lying about oral sex to lying about ratting out CIA agents? Why should I bother with you? ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/272 "2007-07-11T03:30:20Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] About what? Your question is a non sequitor. #1: My beef is with the conduct of the prosecutors and #2 Libby was never indicted for/ charged with / found guilty of ratting out CIA agents, while Bill Clinton did in fact lie about oral sex, so what’s your point? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Weirddave] About what? Your question is a non sequitor. #1: My beef is with the conduct of the prosecutors and #2 Libby was never indicted for/ charged with / found guilty of ratting out CIA agents, while Bill Clinton did in fact lie about oral sex, so what’s your point? [/QUOTE] Some one did rat her out. Libby lied about who did it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/273 "2007-07-11T04:11:54Z")
[QUOTE=bannerrefugee] Why should I bother with you? [/QUOTE] And yet, you **are** bothering with him. Funny how that works. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2007, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/274 "2007-07-11T04:22:01Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] And yet, you **are** bothering with him. Funny how that works. 😉 [/QUOTE] Sorry I will stop ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2007, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/275 "2007-07-17T16:32:43Z")
[QUOTE=bannerrefugee] Are you comparing lying about oral sex to lying about ratting out CIA agents? [/QUOTE] Perjury is perjury. The facts are irrelevant. Libby was convicted of lying under oath. He paid a penalty. Clinton lied under oath. He did not. If the party affiliations of the two principals was switched, you would be arguing from the other side of the fence. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2007, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/276 "2007-07-17T16:40:24Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] Perjury is perjury. The facts are irrelevant. Libby was convicted of lying under oath. He paid a penalty. Clinton lied under oath. He did not. If the party affiliations of the two principals was switched, you would be arguing from the other side of the fence. [/QUOTE] First of all, Clinton was never convicted. And as it turned out, he did not lie. If one defines sex as coitus, then he did not have sex with her. Even if he did lie, I believe that lying about one’s own sexual behavior is not as bad as lying about the fact that your administration went after the spouse of someone that exposed the lies you were telling to lead the nation into an immoral and unneeded war. ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2007, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/277 "2007-07-17T19:20:15Z")
You are right about one thing. [QUOTE=Evil One] The facts are irrelevant [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2007, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/278 "2007-07-17T19:20:29Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] Perjury is perjury. The facts are irrelevant. Libby was convicted of lying under oath. He paid a penalty. Clinton lied under oath. He did not. [/QUOTE] Clinton lost his license to practice law for a period of time because of that. so your claim here that Clinton did not have any penalty is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/279 "2007-07-18T03:02:11Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] Perjury is perjury. The facts are irrelevant. Libby was convicted of lying under oath. He paid a penalty. Clinton lied under oath. He did not. [/quote] One was charged, convicted, and sentenced. One wasn’t charged at all. See a difference there? > [@](#): > > If the party affiliations of the two principals was switched, you would be arguing from the other side of the fence. 😃 > [@](#): > > Libby shouldn’t have been going to jail because Libby didn’t do anything illegal. Yet the judge and jury somehow found otherwise anyway, amazingly enouogh. Facts are irrelevant to you too, it seems. But then we knew that. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513/280 "2007-07-18T03:11:21Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Yet the judge and jury somehow found otherwise anyway, amazingly enouogh. Facts are irrelevant to you too, it seems. But then we knew that. [/QUOTE] More to the point, the _Bush-appointed_ judge and the _Bush(Ashcroft)-appointed_ special prosecutor found otherwise. Playing the outcome of the Libby trial as a partisan Democrat “thing” is disingenuous and dishonest. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olbermann-calls-for-bush-cheney-to-resign/410513.md?page=15)