# Old adage about American wine being better in price and quality still true? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** wine\ **Created:** [January 19, 2010, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-adage-about-american-wine-being-better-in-price-and-quality-still-true/525508 "2010-01-19T02:42:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-adage-about-american-wine-being-better-in-price-and-quality-still-true/525508/21 "2010-01-21T13:01:05Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > [http://www.pellegrinivineyards.com/site/ourvines.htm](http://www.pellegrinivineyards.com/site/ourvines.htm) My Brother-in-Law has been the head winemaker there for the past 15 years. He thanks you. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-adage-about-american-wine-being-better-in-price-and-quality-still-true/525508/22 "2010-01-21T14:28:05Z")
> [@sisu](#): > > But the best wine is Grange. See also: Post #6. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![AndyPolley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@AndyPolley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyPolley)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-adage-about-american-wine-being-better-in-price-and-quality-still-true/525508/23 "2010-01-21T14:52:09Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > My Brother-in-Law has been the head winemaker there for the past 15 years. > > He thanks you. šŸ™‚ Allow me to thank him! Pelligrini is one of my favorites. I got into Long Island wines as more of a local point of pride rather than a very keen interest in wine (bit of a beer guy myself) but after many trips out to our little bit of wine country, Iā€™ve certainly developed a taste for some of the better ones. Blind taste testing had led me to conclude that on average, LI local wines tend to be a little more expensive than imports, mostly due to the size of the wineries here. IMO, It appears that itā€™s cheaper to import low to medium priced wines from large operations than it is to produce them locally. The bright side is that overall quality is high & many of the higher quality wines tend to be a better value than comparable imports. > [@RealityChuck](#): > > I have had bottles of Hargraves, which started it all (the winery has been sold, so they used a different name). That winery is now known as Castello di Borghese, which is also excellent. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-adage-about-american-wine-being-better-in-price-and-quality-still-true/525508/24 "2010-01-21T16:18:53Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#): > > Allow me to thank him! Pelligrini is one of my favorites. My BIL also makes wine under his own label of Pumphouse, plus my sisterā€™s wine label [Suruh](http://www.suhruwines.com/). He owns and operates [Premium Wine Group](http://www.premiumwinegroup.com/Home.htm) which is a contract winemaking facility on the North Folk that produces many local labels, such as Martha Clara and Lieb Family Cellars and consults for many others. If you are drinking North Folk wines, Russ has been involved somewhere along the line. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-adage-about-american-wine-being-better-in-price-and-quality-still-true/525508/25 "2010-01-21T16:58:08Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > See also: Post #6. > > šŸ˜‰ Had it once and only once. I think it was the '96. I know nothing about wine and I knew it was the best thing Iā€™d ever had. One of the great disappointments of this Great Recession is that my fantasy world plan to buy up old cellared Grange for pennies hasnā€™t really panned out. Itā€™s still way too pricey to buy on my own dime (the one time I had it was on someone elseā€™s). ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-adage-about-american-wine-being-better-in-price-and-quality-still-true/525508/26 "2010-01-23T21:45:06Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Iā€™ve done a modest amount of wine-tasting, particularly in France. It seems to me that at the price points I used to be able to afford, Old World wines are vinted to a standard quality whereas New World wines are vinted to a standard taste. IOW the taste of an Old World wine can vary markedly but still be just as good, and New World wines will have the same taste year-on-year. Thatā€™s part of the old wisdom too, although I think it is probably more justified. At least in California, the vintage years donā€™t mean much. OTOH, I never once found a truly interesting or appealing California wine that wasnā€™t at least a few years old, based on the year of vintage shown on the label. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-adage-about-american-wine-being-better-in-price-and-quality-still-true/525508/27 "2010-01-23T22:00:50Z")
> [@Kylede](#): > > The usual Suspects - France, Italy, Spain, California > The Great-but-lesser-known - Washington and Oregon, Portugal (not just port), Gemany, New York State > The New-New World - Australia, New Zealand (try the Pinot Noir), Argentina, Chile, South Africa > and > The ā€œWe will be hearing more about them in the Near Futureā€ - Urugauy, Austria (already Great-but-lesser-know in many places), Hungary, Republic of Georgia, Texas, Virginia, Idaho (not just potatoes anymoreā€¦See "The North fork of Long Island), New Mexico (thanks to the Gruet family), and Who-know-who-else???(maybe parts of Indiaā€¦I had and interesting Indian Shiraz at an India resturant on Bleecker street recently) Allow me to throw in some support for our Canadian wineries, in particular Jackson-Triggs. ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-adage-about-american-wine-being-better-in-price-and-quality-still-true/525508/28 "2010-01-25T00:50:15Z")
> [@Kylede](#): > > New Zealand (try the Pinot Noir) careful, there is some really crap PN from NZ out at the moment. The good stuff is bloody unreal but people are cashing in on the profile. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Righteous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Dr.Righteous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Righteous)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-adage-about-american-wine-being-better-in-price-and-quality-still-true/525508/29 "2010-01-25T19:27:15Z")
> [@Kylede](#): > > A little effort, a little wisper in your local wine store owners ear, a little letter to you state legislature(to relax the **RIDICULUSLY** strict morass of interstate wine shipping restrictionsā€¦yes, every state need to adress this), and maybe a few minutes on the internet, and you too can find something new and exciting, and well-priced For anyone interested in this topic, check these guys out: [http://www.freethegrapes.org/](http://www.freethegrapes.org/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-adage-about-american-wine-being-better-in-price-and-quality-still-true/525508.md?page=1)