# Old Navy has betrayed me. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 5, 2006, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101 "2006-03-05T02:22:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/1 "2006-03-05T02:22:38Z")
This is way too mild for the pit, but I’m pissed. Why? Because the _one store_ - the only single retailer where I could reliably find pants that actually _fit_ - is no longer making my size. Yup. I saw it at the local Old Navy this past week and searched, desperately on their website. It looks for all the world like they’re not making any pants in size 0 anymore. Which means I can no longer get size 0-short\* jeans or other pants there. Which means I’m back to scouring for the largest possible wide-cut girls’ sizes, or trying on any size one I can find, in hopes that they’re cut just a little bit smaller than normal. Old Navy, why hath thou abandoned me so? \*Yes, that’s seriously the size I wear, because I’m five-foot-nothing and fairly small-framed. First person to even _think_ of saying how great it must be to be so small gets a good hard smack. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/2 "2006-03-05T02:37:28Z")
That sucks ☹ I have a friend who is your size and she wears all boys clothes. Not men’s…boys. I am hard pressed to believe that boys pants have nice curves to them! Think of this tho - you can thank Brittney Spears for making little girls want to dress like slutty older women, so you can at least look forward to finding something slutty in your size 🙂 Now if only we could get the girls to be into smart business attire, you’d have no problems! ---
**Author:** ![Nanoda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Nanoda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanoda)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/3 "2006-03-05T02:47:05Z")
That’s no good. At least I can be pretty sure Mark’s Work Wearhouse won’t be dropping stuff that fits _me_. (6’5", 35 waist, 36 leg. If only it were Big _or_ Tall, not Big _and_ Tall). I suppose Brittney is better than Hello Kitty? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![cherry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cherry)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/4 "2006-03-05T02:47:32Z")
Citizens of Humanity and Sevens make jeans in size 23, which would be size zero. Also Banana Republic and Club Monaco make size 0 as well. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/5 "2006-03-05T03:16:30Z")
And I have found a great alterations lady… I was a 0 for years, so I feel your pain. I’m a 2/4 now which is better but still not easy. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/6 "2006-03-05T03:57:45Z")
> [@Nanoda](#): > > That’s no good. At least I can be pretty sure Mark’s Work Wearhouse won’t be dropping stuff that fits _me_. (6’5", 35 waist, 36 leg. If only it were Big _or_ Tall, not Big _and_ Tall). > > I suppose Brittney is better than Hello Kitty? 😉 I do certainly miss Mark’s. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/7 "2006-03-05T03:57:21Z")
> [@Nanoda](#): > > If only it were Big _or_ Tall, not Big _and_ Tall). My husband has that problem with the Big And Tall stores, and coincidentally, today he found out that Old Navy does in fact carry his size. He grabbed a pair of khakis and two sweatshirts, and went away a very happy man. I was pleased to find some clothes that I could actually wear to work as well, so overall they’re up on my scorebook. ---
**Author:** ![myskepticsight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@myskepticsight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/myskepticsight)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/8 "2006-03-05T04:12:45Z")
Try shopping online. A lot of big retailers like Old Navy carry more sizes online that in stores. ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/9 "2006-03-05T04:47:06Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > This is way too mild for the pit, but I’m pissed. Why? Because the _one store_ - the only single retailer where I could reliably find pants that actually _fit_ - is no longer making my size. > > Yup. I saw it at the local Old Navy this past week and searched, desperately on their website. It looks for all the world like they’re not making any pants in size 0 anymore. Which means I can no longer get size 0-short\* jeans or other pants there. Which means I’m back to scouring for the largest possible wide-cut girls’ sizes, or trying on any size one I can find, in hopes that they’re cut just a little bit smaller than normal. > > Old Navy, why hath thou abandoned me so? > > \*Yes, that’s seriously the size I wear, because I’m five-foot-nothing and fairly small-framed. First person to even _think_ of saying how great it must be to be so small gets a good hard smack. My wife has this problem. She buys from the girl’s section there. From what she said, it is cheaper to buy jeans at the girl’s section anyhow. ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal/32/4000_2.png) [@Cardinal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/10 "2006-03-05T05:16:24Z")
> [@brujo](#): > > My wife has this problem. She buys from the girl’s section there. From what she said, it is cheaper to buy jeans at the girl’s section anyhow. I feel your pain. I had a male, 22-year old roommate who was about 5-6 and I’d guess a 28-inch waist (skinny). He said he had to go to the boy’s department in places like JC Penney’s. ---
**Author:** ![Auntbeast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Auntbeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Auntbeast)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/11 "2006-03-05T07:25:26Z")
I am a female 5’8" with a 34" inseam. I can _never_ find pants that fit. It doesn’t help that I am shaped like a skinny 12 year old boy. The Gap used to make pants that fit me and I was in love, they tossed me out like a dish-rag and now I’m back to mens levi’s (the smallest waist with a 34" inseam they make) and make do. Unfortunately, when you buy online and unfamiliar style, it’s alot of trial and error, I’ve got 2 pairs of pants that were way too hippy (as in I don’t have any) that I was too lazy to return. Good luck to you. Do what I do, go look for pants when you are in a really fabulous mood so when you have tried on your 30th pair with no luck, you will only be depressed, not suicidal. Oh, and you short legged women, just shush, you can’t make pants shorter, ya can’t make 'em longer. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Madd\_Maxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Madd\_Maxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madd_Maxx)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/12 "2006-03-05T12:20:50Z")
> [@cherry](#): > > Citizens of Humanity and Sevens make jeans in size 23, which would be size zero. Also Banana Republic and Club Monaco make size 0 as well. Banana Republic and Old Navy and Gap are all owned by the same company. [Cite.](http://www.gapinc.com/public/OurBrands/brands.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/13 "2006-03-05T17:08:35Z")
> [@Auntbeast](#): > > Unfortunately, when you buy online and unfamiliar style, it’s alot of trial and error, I’ve got 2 pairs of pants that were way too hippy (as in I don’t have any) that I was too lazy to return. > > Oh, and you short legged women, just shush, you can’t make pants shorter, ya can’t make 'em longer. 🙂 GAP makes them long again now, that’s all I’ve been hearing about on the tall girl community I belong to. Too bad they don’t make them big enough in the waist/hips/thighs for me (at least I don’t have a problem buying from the guy’s section. My problem is finding _dress_ pants.) ---
**Author:** ![SusanStoHelit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@SusanStoHelit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SusanStoHelit)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/14 "2006-03-05T17:28:16Z")
> [@Madd Maxx](#): > > Banana Republic and Old Navy and Gap are all owned by the same company. [Cite.](http://www.gapinc.com/public/OurBrands/brands.shtml) Yes, but their sizing is different. I swear I’m a 4 at Old Navy, a 2 at Gap and a 0 at Banana Republic. ---
**Author:** ![jasonh300](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/46a35a/32.png) [@jasonh300](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasonh300)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/15 "2006-03-05T17:36:08Z")
I’m tall and skinny. My Levi’s are 30" Waist and 34" Length. Other jeans don’t fit, so I can only wear the Levis…My Mother-in-Law found some Wranglers in my size once and bought me like 6 pairs, and they fit ok, but it feels like I have a vice-grip on my family jewels. Anyway, a couple of years ago, I decided to buy a few pairs of slacks, rather than just wear jeans all the time. Nobody seems to have them in my size. I tried Sears, Dillard’s, and all the other department stores. If they have my length, they’re a 36" waist. If they have my waist, they might as well be shorts…my legs are longer than 22 inches! I have 6 pairs of blue pants that came from Cintas uniform company that fit right, but they’re 10 years old now and getting a little threadbare. The last time I bought a suit (in 2001), they couldn’t even adjust the pants to fit right…the crotch feels like it’s hanging down between my knees! I’m doomed to wear Levi’s for the rest of my life I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Madd\_Maxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Madd\_Maxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madd_Maxx)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/16 "2006-03-05T18:40:42Z")
> [@SusanStoHelit](#): > > Yes, but their sizing is different. I swear I’m a 4 at Old Navy, a 2 at Gap and a 0 at Banana Republic. Of course. Old Navy has more casual fashions at reasonable prices so your size is a little bit bigger, Gap is a little more upscale (& expensive) and your size is a bit smaller, and Banana Replublic is their most upscale fashions which uncoincidentally are also the most expensive and what do you know, your size is the smallest possible. They are just telling you what you want to hear, if you are willing to pay for it. If they had something akin to an Armani you’d be shopping in the little girls section, and paying out the nose for it. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/17 "2006-03-05T20:57:40Z")
My problem with Old Navy is that sizing seems to be random. Last summer I grabbed a dozen pairs of shorts that were marked as having 29, 30, or 31 inch waists, and the actual sizes were all over the map. I ended up getting a pair marked 31 inch, because they were smaller than pairs marked 29. ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/18 "2006-03-05T21:03:23Z")
> [@cherry](#): > > Citizens of Humanity and Sevens make jeans in size 23, which would be size zero. Also Banana Republic and Club Monaco make size 0 as well. And they’re all pretty much outside my price range. ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2006, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/19 "2006-03-05T21:35:38Z")
> [@Madd Maxx](#): > > Banana Republic and Old Navy and Gap are all owned by the same company. [Cite.](http://www.gapinc.com/public/OurBrands/brands.shtml) Thank you. I recently read (like Saturday) a Motley Fool name this company that I could tell was Gap, and hinted at Old Navy, but I couldn’t figure out the other name they hinted at. You have now provided me with the missing information. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2006, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101/20 "2006-03-06T01:22:50Z")
I did a store search for 579 and there’s one in Albuqurque (you’re in Santa Fe, right)? A bit of a drive, but if you could get there, I’d try that store. [http://www.579.com/home.html](http://www.579.com/home.html) They carry size 00 as well as 0. I don’t know about the inseam lengths, but they could be hemmed if necessary. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-navy-has-betrayed-me/347101.md?page=2)