# Old Punker seeks NEW PUNK **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 27, 2004, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301 "2004-04-27T16:54:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/21 "2004-04-28T17:35:58Z")
Well, if you didn’t notice, I didn’t call Pearl Jam punk. I just called them the remains of Alternative. I’m not a big fan of them, either. Manson, my friend, is growing up in a dead ass Florida town punk mixed with Elmore Leonard. He started off punk. Not mohawk punk. Plaid and square and violent kind. And then he got bent. He’s not punk now, but it’s one of the various things that spawned him. Joan will still kick your ass and leave you bleeding and beggin for more, worm. So, I see what you want now. I had to ask, to find your tastes. You want punk. Well. Punk is dead. Avril Lavigne and Good Charlotte and Green Day (Oooh, let’s shill for the RIAA and cover I fought the law! Die. Die. Die) and Blink 182 is all that’s left of punk. Yep. But hell, the Sex Pistols were a boy band made for a shirt store. So, you want loud painful fast punk. Not Ramones three chords anti-prog punk. Eh. Nah, all the people doing that are off in the heavy metal-alternative-rock-rap field these days. Or are old people putting out new albums. Life sucks that way. I don’t think you’re going to find anything good and new in a dead field right now. But I could be wrong. Still, isn’t Operation Ivy early 90s? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/22 "2004-04-28T17:38:42Z")
Actually, there is another band I could mention. Tool, and the various electronic style bands. Nine Inch Nails, Chemical Brothers, what have you. They do violate the “Guitar, Drums, and Guy Screaming” rule, but they do have the guy screaming and the energy. ---
**Author:** ![Ich\_Bin\_s](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Ich\_Bin\_s](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ich_Bin_s)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/23 "2004-04-28T18:50:11Z")
;;puts on professor disguise, changes voice:: Ah hem. I hear that [the Blood Brothers](http://www.thebloodbrothers.com/) and [Refused](http://www.burningheart.com/refused/) are two bands you should listen to! Aw, hell with it. Really. Trust me. Try them. All will become clear. Anyway, also check out: [J.R. Ewing](http://www.thejrewing.com/) [Deerhoof](http://deerhoof.killrockstars.com/menu.html) [Oneida](http://www.epitonic.com/artists/oneida.html) [Country Teasers](http://www.intheredrecords.com/pages/countryteasers.html) [Giddy Motors](http://www.giddymotors.com/) If you missed them, the late, great [Nation](http://www.dischord.com/bands/nationofulysses.shtml) [of Ulysses](http://www.southern.com/southern/band/ULYSS/) ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/24 "2004-04-28T19:25:12Z")
I would also recommend the Hives, Veni Vidi Vicious is great, and I hear that they are coming out with a new album this year. And for anyone who does like the Hives, I would recommend [The International Noise Conspiracy](http://www.burningheart.com/bands/index.php?id=40). Or heck, any band from [Burning Heart Records](http://www.burningheart.com). I also highly recommend the compilations from [Plea for Peace](http://www.pleaforpeace.com/). Five dollar compilations with a lot of awesome lesser known punk bands, and you can order them online or find them in many record stores, and a portion of the profits go to various worthy causes. ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/25 "2004-04-28T20:58:40Z")
Unless I missed it, this is an entire thread on punk bands with no mention of the godfather of them all… **Bad Religion**. Albums that should be standard issue are _Against the Grain_,_Stranger than Fiction_, _Recipe for Hate_, and their newest one _The Process of Belief_. Pretty much every album is sick. **NOFX** is also a great recommendation. Check out **No Use for a Name** too. The tend to lean a little more toward vocals than most punk bands, and I must admit, pull it off well. Also, if you want, check out my band $50 Flander and download anything you want. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/26 "2004-04-28T21:16:07Z")
> [@captaindoesnotlikeyou](#): > > …but the last few times I have seen Iggy…I threw up. Good to see you got into the spirit if things. > [@](#): > > Whoever called bullshit on Blink 182–screw you. You just don’t know good punk…and Good Charlotte…kick ass! Perhaps it’s time you lay down and put a cold compress on your head. You’re hallucinating. > [@E-Sabbath](#): > > But hell, the Sex Pistols were a boy band made for a shirt store. Embarassingly true. It’s unfortunate that most Punk was more an affectation than anything real. ---
**Author:** ![Kneepants\_Erasmus\_the\_Humanist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/54ee81/32.png) [@Kneepants\_Erasmus\_the\_Humanist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kneepants_Erasmus_the_Humanist)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/27 "2004-04-28T21:41:38Z")
Geesh **dropzone** …I kid I kid. Someone mentioned The Hives…I like The Hives. I suppose they are punk…y. They kind of remind me of The Ramones (Johnny’s a Conservative eh??? I just recovered from that one) in that it’s fast and dumb. It’s fun and doesn’t make you think too hard. That’s nice sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![malkavia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malkavia/32/5621_2.png) [@malkavia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malkavia)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/28 "2004-04-28T21:48:32Z")
> [@faldureon](#): > > Oh My GOD :eek: there is actually another person that likes **Iggy Pop** out there. We ought to be considered an endangered species or something honestly. Pish posh, everyone loves Iggy Pop. They just call it “Jet” now, for some reason. 😉 o/~ Are you gonna be my… lust for life… o/~ ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/29 "2004-04-28T22:01:28Z")
My husband has a lot of “old faves” in common with you. Over the last couple of years, he’s been listening to a lot of **Dropkick Murphys**. I have no idea whether they’re considered “punk” or what, since I never personally listen to them. (He has a bunch of punk, ska, and hair metal that he listens to when he’s in the truck alone. 🙂 ) What the heck do you call non-hardcore punk? Like the Clash or maybe Green Day? ---
**Author:** ![Sample\_the\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sample\_the\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sample_the_Dog)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/30 "2004-04-28T22:24:44Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Sex Pistols were a boy band made for a shirt store. Ha! 😃 True, true. They got some fun stuff, though, like “God Save the Queen”. My favorite comment on that combo came from a friend of mine after hearing Sid tackle lead vocals… “Poor, stupid Sid”. Actually, I really dig Ramones as well as the more loudhardfast stuff. And oddly enough, I like the early pogo too, back when slamdancing wasn’t mosh, before the skins and pseudo-skins started that drone-ish circle dance shit. Green Day and Good Charlotte haven’t impressed me much so far. Is it just me, or is Good Charlotte going out of their way to look like Social Distortion (the original punk prettyboys)? I’ll give Joan Jett this much – her “Little Drummer Boy” kicks ass. I prefer The Morgans, though. And didn’t I hear Iggy Pop in a car commercial? Weird times, my palz. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/31 "2004-04-28T22:32:36Z")
Check out [Articles of Faith](http://www.alternativetentacles.com/bandinfo.php?band=articlesoffaith&sd=vM7WPGEiIROX3tPvIEB). They broke up in the mid-80s, but Alternative Tentacles (Biafra’s label) recently re-released their material on two separate collections. Two of their EPs were produced by Bob Mould. Other recommendations: [At The Drive-In](http://www.fearlessrecords.com/bands/mp3.html#3), especially their later albums Embrace, led by Minor Threat’s Ian MacKaye Rites of Spring, with two members of Fugazi [Lars Frederiksen and the Bastards](http://www.epitaph.com/bands/index.php?id=122), a Rancid side project Circle Jerks, look for Golden Shower of Hits and Group Sex/Wild In The Streets combined Soiled Doves, with a member of the Blood Brothers [The Locust](http://www.epitaph.com/bands/index.php?id=312) is even more loud and chaotic than the Blood Brothers. Try Plague Soundscapes. [Tora Tora Torrance](http://www.themilitiagroup.com/artists_pages/toratoratorrance.htm), their second album (A Cynic’s Nightmare) is better Cows, avoid anything before Cunning Stunts [Pennywise](http://www.epitaph.com/bands/index.php?id=165), their best albums are Full Circle and About Time And another vote for bands already mentioned: Blood Brothers, [Refused](http://www.epitaph.com/bands/index.php?id=193), JR Ewing, Fugazi, [McLusky](http://www.mclusky.net/downloads.html), The Exploding Hearts, [Tiger Army](http://www.epitaph.com/bands/index.php?id=230), The Pixes, and [Operation Ivy](http://www.lookoutrecords.com/sounds/index.php3?bnd_id=40). All very good. Links are to pages with free MP3 downloads. ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2004, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/32 "2004-04-28T23:46:17Z")
If you’re not a lefty, you should give the group **Antiseen** a listen - quite awesome, hateful music made by big guys with big beards. Especially good is their album with the infamous G.G. Allin. **Turbonegro** have released a bunch of great records, some of which are more punk, some of which are more seventies hard rock influenced - give ‘Ass Cobra’ a listen (they cover the old punk classic ‘Raggare is a bunch of Motherfuckers’). ---
**Author:** ![nitroglycerine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c5a1d2/32.png) [@nitroglycerine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nitroglycerine)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/33 "2004-04-29T01:35:01Z")
> [@Junior Spaceman](#): > > If you’re not a lefty, you should give the group **Antiseen** a listen - quite awesome, hateful music made by big guys with big beards. Especially good is their album with the infamous G.G. Allin. > > **Turbonegro** have released a bunch of great records, some of which are more punk, some of which are more seventies hard rock influenced - give ‘Ass Cobra’ a listen (they cover the old punk classic ‘Raggare is a bunch of Motherfuckers’). Ha you fucker…I was just gonna mention Turbonegro 🙂 Antiseen’s great too. Some other good punk of the last ten years or so: [Electric Frankenstein](http://www.electricfrankenstein.com/)-One of the best bands ever, taking elements of the Dead Boys, Black Flag, Motorhead and AC/DC and turning them into their own blend of potent rock and roll. [The Supersuckers](http://www.supersuckers.com/)-Straight ahead rockin’ punk with a little country mixed in, biut not in a BAD way. [Aus Rotten](http://www.static-pulse.com/ausrotten/)-Heavy Pittsburgh Peace Punk. If you like Conflict… There’s tons of great new music out there. You just gotta dig a little deeper for it And there’s still a bunch of old bands still making music as good as back in the day… [The Dictators](http://www.static-pulse.com/ausrotten/), The Lazy Cowgirls, The Cramps, Mission Of Burma(!!!), The Exploited, and if you buy one album this decade it has to be this one: [Rocket From The Tombs](http://neumu.net/datastream/2004/2004-00035/2004-00035_datastream.shtml)-Rocket Redux. Cheetah Chrome, Dave Thomas and crew got together with Richard Lloyd replacing Peter Laughner, and made the album that should have been made in 1975. I gotta say…I saw a lot of mallpunk listed in this thread…tsk tsk…Blink182? Pennywise?? Puh-leaze. ---
**Author:** ![nitroglycerine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c5a1d2/32.png) [@nitroglycerine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nitroglycerine)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/34 "2004-04-29T01:40:44Z")
I also want to say that The Dictators newest album DFFD is one of the greatest records ever released! Don’t forget about [The Fleshtones](http://www.fleshtones.org) either. Ten or fifteen albums on, they still know how to rock the joint. ---
**Author:** ![SmackFu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@SmackFu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmackFu)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/35 "2004-04-29T02:29:45Z")
Compilations. Find out what you like then buy their album. And punk comps are $5 most of the time. Punk-o-rama is a good series, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/36 "2004-04-29T03:29:42Z")
> [@nitroglycerine](#): > > I gotta say…I saw a lot of mallpunk listed in this thread…tsk tsk…Blink182? > Pennywise?? Puh-leaze. Well, the OP did mention Anti-Flag. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/37 "2004-04-29T03:35:07Z")
If you haven’t heard them already, listen to some Bad Brains. Avoid anything after I Against I, except for the superb live album The Youth Are Getting Restless. ---
**Author:** ![NotBob13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e19b73/32.png) [@NotBob13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotBob13)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/38 "2004-04-29T03:56:49Z")
Find an XM radio, tune to Fungus(53). It’s a punk station, and it should list the band names and song titles as you listen, so you can look them up later. ---
**Author:** ![nitroglycerine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c5a1d2/32.png) [@nitroglycerine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nitroglycerine)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/39 "2004-04-29T04:27:06Z")
> [@cheddarsnax](#): > > Well, the OP did mention Anti-Flag. Awwww…Anti-Flag aren’t really Mallpunk…they’re…uh…well…er…ummmm…well they’re against the government and stuff…and…uh…they don’t like flags… I can’t bring myself to slag 'em. They’re from Pittsburgh and thats worth at least a couple of cool points from me, even if the lyrics sound like they were written by a slightly retarted Jr. High School malcontent. While we’re on the subject of Mallpunk, I got to admit, I really like that new NOFX album. ---
**Author:** ![nitroglycerine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c5a1d2/32.png) [@nitroglycerine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nitroglycerine)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2004, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301/40 "2004-04-29T04:57:12Z")
> [@cheddarsnax](#): > > If you haven’t heard them already, listen to some Bad Brains. Avoid anything after I Against I, except for the superb live album The Youth Are Getting Restless. Bad Brains are awesome beyond belief. Don’t write off everthing post I against I though. There’s some great stuff on Quickness and Rise too, and if you listen to God Of Love as a metal album, it’s not bad at all. Have you heard Black Dots? It’s an LP of a bunch of pre-ROIR album demos, that are closer to 77 style punk rock than the hardcore they would invent and define a few years later. Good schtuff. I’m going to listen to some Bad Brains right now. Hey, seeing as how all the SD punks are going to be checking into this thread…If any of you guys frequent the [zeropaid.com](http://zeropaid.com) forums, they just added a bunch of music forums there, including a punk forum. It’s pretty dead there…in fact, I think I’m the only one who’s posted there so far. Come on over and let’s turn it into an active forum! [Link a Dink](http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=119) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-punker-seeks-new-punk/242301.md?page=3)