# Old School Mafia Reunion (newer players welcome too) **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [November 30, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487 "2016-11-30T20:33:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/201 "2016-12-06T19:30:36Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I was gonna give em till Friday, but no joke 51 players is daunting. So…yeah. Now go get us up to 75 before Wednesday people! You have your marching orders. Drag your friends in. Even though the game is not starting for a few weeks… maybe once you mods all decide some things then perhaps you could post some sort of game “trailer”… like they do for the movies before the actual films do come to the theater. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/202 "2016-12-06T20:18:48Z")
For what it’s worth: According to my simulations, if a game has 50 players, a Doctor, a Detective, and no other power roles, and assuming that the Detective follows the standard strategy of claiming once he’s got three innocents or one Scum, then the game is balanced (50% chance of each side winning) at 7 Scum. If you add three Mason-like roles, then the balanced number of Scum goes up to 8. At somewhere between five and six Masons, the balanced number of Scum goes up to 9. I suspect that, for a game this large, the standard Detective strategy is sub-optimal, and that he should hold out for more results before claiming, but it’ll take a bit of experimenting to verify this. And I have not yet implemented the Vigilante role (either compulsory or optional), which is almost certainly needed to keep the length of the game manageable, nor Roleblocker nor any other Town roles, nor duplicates or backups of the existing non-Mason roles, nor any sort of Scum power role. So take these results with a large grain of salt, but they should at least provide a starting point for balance. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/203 "2016-12-06T20:49:18Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Even though the game is not starting for a few weeks… maybe once you mods all decide some things then perhaps you could post some sort of game “trailer”… like they do for the movies before the actual films do come to the theater. Something like: IN A WORLD WHERE GAMES OF MAFIA ARE PLAYED BY WEREWOLVES, 75 STRANGERS MEET UP TO SLOWLY KILL EACH OTHER WITH LYNCHINGS, RANDOM ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND TALKING IN REALLY BIG FONT. FROM THE MAKERS OF: “that one super Gastard game” AND “that totally classic game everyone loved” AND OF COURSE “the game people kinda liked but thought was sorta confusing” COMES AN EPIC WEREWOLF MAFIA GAME FOR THE AGES. \*\*M2(a) \*\*:the chaosing \*Coming soon to a mafia game thread near you. \* 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/204 "2016-12-06T20:52:53Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Something like: > > IN A WORLD WHERE GAMES OF MAFIA ARE PLAYED BY WEREWOLVES, 75 STRANGERS MEET UP TO SLOWLY KILL EACH OTHER WITH LYNCHINGS, RANDOM ACTS OF VIOLENCE AND TALKING IN REALLY BIG FONT. > > FROM THE MAKERS OF: “that one super Gastard game” AND “that totally classic game everyone loved” AND OF COURSE “the game people kinda liked but thought was sorta confusing” COMES AN EPIC WEREWOLF MAFIA GAME FOR THE AGES. > > \*\*M2(a) \*\*:the chaosing > > \*Coming soon to a mafia game thread near you. \* > > 🆒 I have my popcorn. I have my big soda. I have my 3D glasses. Bring it on! ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/205 "2016-12-06T22:03:49Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I’m thinking we really drag things out. Week long days. 3 day Nights. Lots of no Lynch options. If we get it up to 75 players we can make it last 2 years. And in post #21734 you said you did it in the study with the candlestick, but clearly back in post #398 the candlestick had gastardised and couldn’t be used in that way. Gonna be a long long long thread ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/206 "2016-12-06T22:17:18Z")
Might as well start lobbying now to allow 1000 posts/page in the viewing options. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/207 "2016-12-06T23:19:50Z")
[Mafia Game Trailer](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ccuWFidUYI) ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/208 "2016-12-06T23:31:57Z")
Yeesh. At the standard 50 posts/page, the PM confirmations alone will span 1.5 pages, even without any fluff, for 75 players. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2016, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/209 "2016-12-06T23:55:09Z")
I changed my setting to 100 posts per page here specifically because of Mafia; it makes it that much easier to figure out which page Post 738 is on… ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/210 "2016-12-07T00:19:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > For what it’s worth: According to my simulations, if a game has 50 players, a Doctor, a Detective, and no other power roles, and assuming that the Detective follows the standard strategy of claiming once he’s got three innocents or one Scum, then the game is balanced (50% chance of each side winning) at 7 Scum. If you add three Mason-like roles, then the balanced number of Scum goes up to 8. At somewhere between five and six Masons, the balanced number of Scum goes up to 9. > > I suspect that, for a game this large, the standard Detective strategy is sub-optimal, and that he should hold out for more results before claiming, but it’ll take a bit of experimenting to verify this. And I have not yet implemented the Vigilante role (either compulsory or optional), which is almost certainly needed to keep the length of the game manageable, nor Roleblocker nor any other Town roles, nor duplicates or backups of the existing non-Mason roles, nor any sort of Scum power role. So take these results with a large grain of salt, but they should at least provide a starting point for balance. For that exact reason I think multiple scum teams (or cultists) are more balanced in large games. Games where the scrum team is relatively small with a large number of players quickly become demoralizing for town and lead to low participation after they lynch the 10th town player in a row with no end in sight. Sent from my EVA-L09 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/211 "2016-12-07T00:22:15Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > And in post #21734 you said you did it in the study with the candlestick, but clearly back in post #398 the candlestick had gastardised and couldn’t be used in that way. > > Gonna be a long long long thread Scumtell! With so many posts in between then and now you would only remember that if you had special knowledge! Sent from my EVA-L09 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/212 "2016-12-07T00:24:55Z")
There could be two lynches per Day (and two Scum-kills per Night) until the total number was reduced to something more typical. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/213 "2016-12-07T00:30:38Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > There could be two lynches per Day (and two Scum-kills per Night) until the total number was reduced to something more typical. That’s what I did in my huge game that had about 60 players. It had one kill a night for every ten players. So while still above 50, it was five deaths a night, then four once the players hit 49, then 3 at 39…etc. So by the time there were ten players, there was just one kill. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/214 "2016-12-07T00:41:21Z")
Apropos of nothing in particular, when was everyone’s first game? I looked it up to check, mine was De’endee mafia here on straightdope in 2011. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/215 "2016-12-07T00:44:02Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Apropos of nothing in particular, when was everyone’s first game? I looked it up to check, mine was De’endee mafia here on straightdope in 2011. One year a go, on a night just like tonight… Actually, I’m not sure of the date, but I do think it was in Dec. Paradise Island, I think it was? ETA: Just found it: Trouble in Paradise, Oct 23 2015 ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/216 "2016-12-07T00:51:18Z")
Fuck it, I’m in. Don’t make me regret it. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/217 "2016-12-07T00:51:59Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Apropos of nothing in particular, when was everyone’s first game? I looked it up to check, mine was De’endee mafia here on straightdope in 2011. [Mafia III](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=417106&highlight=mafia) I signed up to be in 1 and 2, but it was all filled by the time I go there. **NAF** can confirm that I tried to sign up to be in II, but I was the first player to sign up right after the last one did. 😛 So I remember him saying “I PROMISE YOU, you will be in the next one”, haha. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/218 "2016-12-07T00:55:28Z")
Trying to keep up with new adds. As usual, unofficial: Moderators: Mahaloth NAF1138 storyteller0910 Players: AngeloftheNorth BillMc Biotop BlasterMaster Boozahol Squid, P.I. brewha Brooky Bufftabby Chronos Colby11 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Crys75 Dante G Daphne Black DiggitCamara Drain Bead Enderw24 Guiri En Espana Hawkeyeop Hockey Monkey HookerChemical Hoopy Frood Idle Thoughts Inner Stickler Johnny Bravo jsgoddess Khameleon Koldanar Lakai manila MHaye Nanook of the North Shore Paulwhoisaghost Pleonast Prof. Pepperwinkle Red Skeezix Sachertorte Sario Scathach septimus sinjin SisterCoyote snfaulkner Suburban Plankton Sunny Daze TexCat Toejam TotalLost Zeriel ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/219 "2016-12-07T00:55:39Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > There could be two lynches per Day (and two Scum-kills per Night) until the total number was reduced to something more typical. Honestly, I was joking about it taking 2 years. We are accounting for size. This is not our first rodeo. Not even with huge games. We got this. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/220 "2016-12-07T00:57:00Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > One year a go, on a night just like tonight… > Actually, I’m not sure of the date, but I do think it was in Dec. Paradise Island, I think it was? > > ETA: Just found it: Trouble in Paradise, Oct 23 2015 As far as I’m aware this boards first game (from which giraffeboard mafia and idlemafia mafia developed as far as I know) was Werewolf - A Game in 2007 [Werewolf - a game. - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=407197). I spectated that one but didn’t join until four years later. Idle’s OP was putting all “old school” players at before 2007 - was there games on straightdope or related boards before that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487.md?page=12)