# Old School Mafia Reunion (newer players welcome too) **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [November 30, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487 "2016-11-30T20:33:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/361 "2016-12-12T18:39:08Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > It’s not breaking the game if you designed it that way. 😉 > > But seriously, if you don’t want Town to win when everyone is dead, build the game so they won’t. Note that Mafia and Wolves cannot win if everyone is dead, because they must have more living players than the other scum faction. > > Also note, that an Exclusive Third Party would still lose even if they’re the only living player, because their victory condition is considered last. So you may also make it difficult for a Town player to mod-suicide to prevent someone else from winning, even at the cost of themselves losing. (That is, **Alice** the last Townie, may decide to get themself mod-killed so that Town wins (except for **Alice** ) and **Bob** the Exclusive Third Party loses.) > > It might seem strange to focus on edge cases, but if the game is designed well it should get to the point of only a handful of players remaining. And that is only a short step from weird gambits to win (or stop others from winning). I was just kidding. We are looking at this also. My personal opinion, this is not exactly cathedra just NAF the player talking, is that if you are mod killed you have been erased. Removed as though you never played. You can neither win or lose, because you aren’t in the game. If we need to we will work backwards through time to make things even up. I have always felt that the spirit rather than the letter of the law was more important. This is why my games tend to have weird crap happen in them. So, again, not speaking as a mod in this post. We will have an official position late. But it may be helpful to know how at least one of us thinks about this sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/362 "2016-12-12T18:40:37Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Oh, forgot to add that my focus is on mod-killing because that is an easy way for players to affect the game state. You also need to consider other methods. For example, if there’s no Town and one each of Mafia, Wolf and Exclusive Third-Party (X3P), do you want the Mafia and Wolf to be able to cross-kill and give the win to Town? This, I think, we have covered. But there is information you can’t know. Edit: it’s also possible we will tweak things before the official game thread. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/363 "2016-12-12T18:52:19Z")
I think I will also add a rule indicating that modkills are at the discretion of the moderators at all times; if we think you’re trying to game the rules, we’ll make things so that you can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/364 "2016-12-12T20:53:24Z")
A clarification on the multi-lynching: If, by some chance (successful Doctor or Blocker, or Scum choosing not to kill, or whatever) no Townies die during a Night, will there still be a lynch the next Day? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/365 "2016-12-12T21:49:17Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > A clarification on the multi-lynching: If, by some chance (successful Doctor or Blocker, or Scum choosing not to kill, or whatever) no Townies die during a Night, will there still be a lynch the next Day? The town deaths only relate to extra lynches. The standard Lynch is always available. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/366 "2016-12-12T23:09:38Z")
So if there’s exactly one Townie death overNight, then there’s still only one lynch total? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/367 "2016-12-12T23:34:48Z")
Yes ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/368 "2016-12-13T00:04:48Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Multiple lynches? Fascinating. Can multi-lynches earned from townie deaths roll over from one day to the next? No, and we will make clear the required number of votes for each additional lynch. The top vote getter will always be lynched. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/369 "2016-12-13T01:08:07Z")
I hope you all don’t mind, but we thought a Google Form would be a way to get a final count of who is signed up. Please sign up at the form below. I did not choose to have it collect emails/data from you, but let me know if it does and I will try to turn that off. You have until 12/30 to sign up officially. All you have to do is type your username and press submit. That’s it. [Here is the form.](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScRWjmp84youVi9skFOlmxsWU_LEfxT62UXjZdfvLRDrQ20fQ/viewform) [And here is the spreadsheet that displays our official sign-up list is right here. Check for your name!](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OnTiUgrGZEzKA1NURJlFCAGzT-gZsSuCm9vw55S7eZc/edit?usp=sharing) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/370 "2016-12-13T01:53:15Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I hope you all don’t mind, but we thought a Google Form would be a way to get a final count of who is signed up. Please sign up at the form below. I did not choose to have it collect emails/data from you, but let me know if it does and I will try to turn that off. > > You have until 12/30 to sign up officially. > > All you have to do is type your username and press submit. That’s it. > > [Here is the form.](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScRWjmp84youVi9skFOlmxsWU_LEfxT62UXjZdfvLRDrQ20fQ/viewform) > > [And here is the spreadsheet that displays our official sign-up list is right here. Check for your name!](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OnTiUgrGZEzKA1NURJlFCAGzT-gZsSuCm9vw55S7eZc/edit?usp=sharing) And hey, only sign up if you are already on the list. This is a confirmation process to make sure that now that you know what all is involved you still want in. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/371 "2016-12-13T02:04:29Z")
Ah yes, the ole’ double secret signup. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/372 "2016-12-13T02:07:08Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > And hey, only sign up if you are already on the list. This is a confirmation process to make sure that now that you know what all is involved you still want in. Ah, yes, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/373 "2016-12-13T04:24:27Z")
Everyone who hasn’t signed up on the new sheet yet is clearly lurking. It’s already been three hours. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/374 "2016-12-13T13:05:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > So if there’s exactly one Townie death overNight, then there’s still only one lynch total? Yes. And even if there are 2 or 3 Town deaths at Night, the additional lynches are never required. People can always avoid reaching those vote-total-thresholds in order to keep it at one lynch. And 3 lynches is the maximum per Day. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/375 "2016-12-13T14:27:58Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yes. And even if there are 2 or 3 Town deaths at Night, the additional lynches are never required. People can always avoid reaching those vote-total-thresholds in order to keep it at one lynch. Thank you…now we’ll have a brand new topic to debate endlessly on Day 1. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/376 "2016-12-13T14:50:01Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Thank you…now we’ll have a brand new topic to debate endlessly on Day 1. 😃 Now you are getting the idea. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/377 "2016-12-13T15:00:20Z")
So, if there are 55 players, and 27 vote for Abigail, 22 vote for No Lynch, and the remaining 6 vote Bernard and three townies died the previous night, who gets lynched? Just Abigail, or Abigail and Bernard? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/378 "2016-12-13T15:56:25Z")
Abigail dies, because she had the most votes. No Lynch does not go through, because it only works if it’s the most. Bernard doesn’t die, because he didn’t get 34% for the second lynch, and even though he got the 10% threshold for a third lynch, the third lynch only goes through if the second one does. If, instead, the no-lynch voters had voted for Charlie, then all three would die. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/379 "2016-12-13T16:34:57Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > So, if there are 55 players, and 27 vote for Abigail, 22 vote for No Lynch, and the remaining 6 vote Bernard and three townies died the previous night, who gets lynched? Just Abigail, or Abigail and Bernard? Only Abigail. I guess we should have clarified that “no lynch” can’t be one of the second or third lynches since it contradicts the first lynch. And no, the third person would not be lynched since no one reached the second lynch threshhold. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487/380 "2016-12-13T16:57:06Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > And hey, only sign up if you are already on the list. This is a confirmation process to make sure that now that you know what all is involved you still want in. I’ve just signed up, although I’m just an alternate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-school-mafia-reunion-newer-players-welcome-too/773487.md?page=20)