# Old Style beer no longer kräusened? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** beer\ **Created:** [September 19, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246 "2013-09-19T17:34:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/1 "2013-09-19T17:34:54Z")
I noticed in the liquor store last night that none of the cases/12 packs and none of the individual bottles/cans of Old Style beer claim it’s Kräusened. The word used to be all over it’s packaging. On the [web site](http://oldstylebeer.com/) I can find no reference to kräusening. Did they stop kräusening it again? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/2 "2013-09-19T18:23:29Z")
I don’t know of any major brewery who use the process anymore. It’s too erratic, time-consuming, and expensive. So much easier to force-carbonate the beer at an exact pressure when it’s bottled. Especially since Old Style is brewed by a brewery that brews tons of other beers. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/3 "2013-09-19T18:25:15Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I don’t know of any major brewery who use the process anymore. It’s too erratic, time-consuming, and expensive. So much easier to force-carbonate the beer at an exact pressure when it’s bottled. Especially since Old Style is brewed by a brewery that brews tons of other beers. Their big thing a couple years ago was reintroducing krauesening to their process. This is an interesting point, as I’ve though Old Style has been tasting a bit differently lately, but that might be my imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/4 "2013-09-19T18:29:13Z")
They made a big announcement when they initially changed it back to Krausened (I have a copy of the article on my wall) and husband and I noticed a distinct difference. Even with the new packaging (wrapped up with that stupid Golden Can thing) there hasn’t been any change in taste - it’s just new packaging. I can confirm this Monday if you’d like when I see my Old Style rep at the bar, but I’m going to say they haven’t changed back, just changed the packaging. [This is our kitchen table - my husband did this freehand.](http://s12.photobucket.com/user/Missy2U_/media/1020082155.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4#/user/Missy2U_/media/1020082155.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4&_suid=137961545391106225192422896035) We’re big Old Style drinkers around here. He’d have noticed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/5 "2013-09-19T18:31:36Z")
Yeah, looking it up online, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of it being changed back, so I’m gonna chalk it up to my imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/6 "2013-09-19T18:42:10Z")
It’s Kräeusen, not Kräusen. And the trema (dots over the a) seem to be seldom used these days. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/7 "2013-09-19T18:50:01Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > It’s Kräeusen, not Kräusen. [No it isn’t](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/krausen) > [@Missy2U](#): > > I can confirm this Monday if you’d like when I see my Old Style rep at the bar Please do. But I think it’s very conspicuous that it isn’t anywhere on the packaging or their website. It’s a key advertising point of their beer. You’d think it would be mentioned at least somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/8 "2013-09-19T18:52:14Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > [No it isn’t](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/krausen) It is if you’re really, really, _really_ german. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/9 "2013-09-19T18:59:02Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > [No it isn’t](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/krausen) > > Please do. But I think it’s very conspicuous that it isn’t anywhere on the packaging or their website. It’s a key advertising point of their beer. You’d think it would be mentioned at least somewhere. I’ll see what he has to say - he usually is there around 12:00/1:00 so later Monday afternoon I’ll have an answer for you. Now if I could only get him to have beer delivered to my HOUSE. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/10 "2013-09-19T19:45:59Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > krauesening > [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > It’s Kräeusen, not Kräusen. > [@pkbites](#): > > [No it isn’t](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/krausen) So when substituting an e for the umlaut over the äu diphthong, is it “aeu” or “aue”? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/11 "2013-09-19T20:20:22Z")
Well with the Wrigley contract gone, I supposed they have to cut costs somehow. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/12 "2013-09-19T20:29:33Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > So when substituting an e for the umlaut over the äu diphthong, is it “aeu” or “aue”? Dammit. You noticed. I was going to go back and edit, but I’m a bit tired of every second post of mine saying “Last edited by pulykamell…” because I can’t be arsed to previews. It’s “aeu.” If you see an umlaut in German, you write the vowel that’s being umlauted first, followed by an “e.” You would not, however, use both the umlaut and the “e” following the umlauted vowel. It’s one or the other. So, Beethoven’s “Für Elise” could also be written as “Fuer Elise,” for instance. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/13 "2013-09-19T20:36:16Z")
Another example, with Oktoberfest here and all, is “Hofbräuhaus” or even “Löwenbräu.” You can write those as “Hofbraeuhas” and “Loewenbraeu.” The other thing to note is that the “äu”/“aeu” diphthong is not pronounced as “ow” (as it usually is in English), but rather as “oy.” So for the two words given, a closer approximation in English would be [“hofe broy house”](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC3ANiU55og) and [“Leu ven broy.”](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tXxOZ7kcc4) ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/14 "2013-09-20T05:14:09Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > It is if you’re really, really, _really_ german. 😉 What kind of name do you think Beitz is? Going back to at least 1875 there has been nothing but German blood in my family. Someone fucked that up by marrying an Italian. Oh, wait. > [@pulykamell](#): > > Dammit. You noticed. I was going to go back and edit, but I’m a bit tired of every second post of mine saying “Last edited by pulykamell…” because I can’t be arsed to previews. > > It’s “aeu.” If you see an umlaut in German, you write the vowel that’s being umlauted first, followed by an “e.” You would not, however, use both the umlaut and the “e” following the umlauted vowel. It’s one or the other. So, Beethoven’s “Für Elise” could also be written as “Fuer Elise,” for instance. Yep. But I just noticed now that the Old Style beer [label](http://www.artzberger.com/BeerCans/newcans/canpics/old_style_12.jpg) itself spells it Kraeusened. D’oh!:smack: ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/15 "2013-09-20T05:40:31Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > But I just noticed now that the Old Style beer [label](http://www.artzberger.com/BeerCans/newcans/canpics/old_style_12.jpg) itself spells it Kraeusened. D’oh!:smack: That’s correct. It’s either “kräuesened” or “kraeusened” if you are trying to be true to German spelling. But not “kräeusened” unless you are, indeed, trying to be “really German.” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/16 "2013-09-20T05:56:18Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > It is if you’re really, really, _really_ german. 😉 > [@pulykamell](#): > > That’s correct. It’s either “kräuesened” or “kraeusened” if you are trying to be true to German spelling. But not “kräeusened” unless you are, indeed, trying to be “really German.” 😉 Well, in German, the process is called _kräusen_, which comes from _kraus_, literally meaning something like ‘frizzy’. _Kräusened_ is really kind of a mongrel word; _kräusened beer_ would be _gekräustes Bier_ in German. But in any case, the combination ‘äue’ is definitely wrong (as is the ‘äue’ above, but I suspect that’s a typo); an umlaut is generally replaced by the vowel followed with -e, anything more is redundant. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/17 "2013-09-20T06:14:52Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > But in any case, the combination ‘äue’ is definitely wrong (as is the ‘äue’ above, but I suspect that’s a typo) Sonuvabitch! Gaudere’s Law and all that. Grr. Yes, that’s a typo. This is the sentence as it should be: > [@](#): > > It’s either “kräusened” or “kraeusened” if you are trying to be true to German spelling but, of course, the “if you are trying to be true to the German spelling” comes with the caveat that you are conjugating it in English, so no actual word like “kräusened” exists in German, as it’s a mutt of a word. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/18 "2013-09-23T20:32:31Z")
Confirmed from my Old Style guy. They changed the packaging and that’s it - they’re still doing the K word (which I’m not doing to even ATTEMPT to spell.) For those who wonder about Wrigley Field, Old Style can no longer do advertising involving Wrigley, but Wrigley will still sell Old Style as far as he knows. Thank the good lord above we won’t have the yearly new baseball themed cans anymore. Talk about obnoxious. ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/19 "2013-09-24T03:38:59Z")
It is still brewed in God’s Country, i trust? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2013, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246/20 "2013-09-24T12:25:51Z")
> [@5\_time\_champ](#): > > It is still brewed in God’s Country, i trust? I don’t think so. They stopped brewing it in Lacrosse, WI long ago. Though it’s part of Miller/Coors now, so if it’s brewed in Colorado, IMHO that’d count. Milwaukee, not so much. Though the lakefront is nice. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-style-beer-no-longer-krausened/669246.md?page=2)