# Old TV (not transvestites) homosexuality **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 31, 1999, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382 "1999-08-31T15:39:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SqrlCub](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SqrlCub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SqrlCub)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 1999, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/1 "1999-08-31T15:39:00Z")
The oldest TV show that I remember seeing that had an episode on homesexuality was either the Jeffersons (the episode where George’s friend had a sex change) or Soap (Billy Crystal’s character was gay). The question comes now to what is the oldest television show that mentioned homosexuality, had an episode dealing with homosexuality, or had a main character that was a homosexual? Thanks, SC ---
**Author:** ![Gilligan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Gilligan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gilligan)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 1999, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/2 "1999-08-31T16:18:00Z")
There was a show called Hot L Baltimore earlier in the seventies - 1975 - that had a gay couple as regular characters. Also one of Archie Bunker’s friends - Steve, I think - was gay, but I don’t know what year that show may have aired. He wasn’t a regular. ---
**Author:** ![NicePete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ee7513/32.png) [@NicePete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NicePete)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 1999, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/3 "1999-08-31T16:22:00Z")
Didn’t Edith have a friend or relative who was a cross-dresser on “All in the Family”? ---
**Author:** ![NicePete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ee7513/32.png) [@NicePete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NicePete)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 1999, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/4 "1999-08-31T16:23:00Z")
Speaking of which, didn’t you, Gilligan, dress up like a female native to appease the headhunters on at least one occasion? ---
**Author:** ![Gilligan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Gilligan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gilligan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 1999, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/5 "1999-09-01T05:38:00Z")
Yes I became “Gilliana” for King Killiwani. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 1999, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/6 "1999-09-01T05:53:00Z")
Milton Berle was probably the first TV on TV. But let’s not confuse cross-dressing with homosexuality. Here’s a related question (based on the recent Scooby Doo thread); Was Waylan Smithers the first homosexual cartoon character? ---
**Author:** ![torq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@torq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torq)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 1999, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/7 "1999-08-31T18:18:00Z")
I think there was a gay or lesbian character on Maude, but I may be imagining things. I don’t really remember much about the show. ---
**Author:** ![SqrlCub](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SqrlCub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SqrlCub)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 1999, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/8 "1999-08-31T18:47:00Z")
As far as out cartoon characters? hmmm. There are not many. Waylan Smithers comes pretty close. I think Bugs Bunny is not only a drag queen but bisexual. He always dresses up as a girl and kisses the male villains. I can think of one specific example where he is “Miss Scarlet” and Yosemite Sam is chasing after him. However, Bugs’s true sexuality I think is asexuality because afterall he is a cartoon and the issue is never really brought to light as it is with Waylan. I do remember some instances in All in the Family, but I can not think who it was or why he was there. I think Bentley in the Jeffersons was also gay. What about Monroe from “Too Close for Comfort”? I believe his sexuality was brought up once when the two girls tried to rape him; although, I can not remember the specifics with this one. I think he was more confused than gay though. ---
**Author:** ![According\_to\_Pliny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@According\_to\_Pliny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/According_to_Pliny)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 1999, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/9 "1999-08-31T18:55:00Z")
Going back to the 60s, there was an episode of “Get Smart” where 99 hired a particularly swishy interior decorator (played by Jack Cassidy, I think). Max ends up picking a fight with him and gets his clock cleaned. Turns out that the decorator is an ex-marine and has to act gay to match the stereotype expected by his customers. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 1999, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/10 "1999-08-31T21:07:00Z")
There was a TV movie, I want to say early '70s with Hal Holbrook. I think it was called That Certain Summer or That One Summer or something like that. As far as series TV goes, I think the first mention may have been on Marcus Welby or perhaps Medical Center (they were on during the same time frame.) But I’m very sure the subject was broached in a dramatic context several years before Hot L Baltimore and Soap played it for laughs. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 1999, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/11 "1999-09-01T04:37:00Z")
I remember watching a TV series with a possibly gay character named Sidney when I was a kid. A quick web search finds: “Gay and Lesbian Milestones on TV” at [http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom\_medi.htm](http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_medi.htm) , which mentions: _That Certain Summer_ (first item on the list), 1972, with Hal Holbrook and Martin Sheen; first gay couple in \* Hot l Baltimore\* in 1975 and Billy Crystal in _Soap_ in 1977, all of which were mentioned here. The show I was thinking of: > [@](#): > > 1981: NBC adapted the TV movie "Sidney Shorr into the TV sitcom “Love, Sidney” In the movie, Sidney was gay, but pressure groups successfully influenced NBC to change the lead part into a person of indeterminate sexual orientation. ---
**Author:** ![Leslie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ba8739/32.png) [@Leslie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leslie)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 1999, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/12 "1999-09-01T04:43:00Z")
I remember “Love, Sidney”! I loved that show! It was with Tony Randall and Swoosie Kurtz. I guess they never specifically said he was gay, but the news about the show was so big that everyone kind of knew it when they were watching. At least, I surely did, and I was just in high school. It was basically Tony Randall doing his Felix Unger shtick with a female roomate instead of Oscar. ---
**Author:** ![Markxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@Markxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Markxxx)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 1999, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/13 "1999-09-01T08:45:00Z")
On Mary Tyler Moore in a very early episode, Phyllis’s brother was gay. Also Milton Berle’s cross dressing was only for comedic effect. He obviously made no effort to pull off the effect other than for laughs. ---
**Author:** ![Bluepony](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bluepony](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bluepony)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 1999, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/14 "1999-09-01T13:55:00Z")
The Skipper, Gilligan, and the Professor. With Mary Ann and Ginger stranded with you and all that time, you would’ve needed an aircraft carrier to evacuate all the castaways and their children if those three guys were straight. 🙂 * * * “…send lawyers, guns, and money…” ``` Warren Zevon ``` ---
**Author:** ![Gilligan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Gilligan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gilligan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 1999, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/15 "1999-09-01T16:22:00Z")
Actually we were sterilized by the radioactive vegetables we grew from that crate of seeds I caught in the lagoon. This solved the problem of having no birth control methods. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 1999, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/16 "1999-09-01T18:04:00Z")
On the old TV show “Medical Center,” one of the guest-starring characters came out on the program declaring “because I am a homosexual.” I never saw the actual episode, only the preview for the upcoming program. ---
**Author:** ![SqrlCub](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SqrlCub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SqrlCub)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 1999, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/17 "1999-09-01T18:23:00Z")
What is “Medical Center”? ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 1999, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/18 "1999-09-02T16:21:00Z")
Medical Center debuted in the late '60’s, I think, but was on thru the early '70’s. Sort of an “ER,” but without all the commotion. ---
**Author:** ![PTVroman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bb73d2/32.png) [@PTVroman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PTVroman)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 1999, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/19 "1999-09-02T18:14:00Z")
Actually, the first homosexual TV character was Ward Cleaver. They only let this out on one show. June was going to a PTA meeting, or something like that, and asked Ward if he wanted to go along. His response was “No thanks. I think I’ll stay here with the boys and pack some fudge.” * * * _“The large print givith, and the small print taketh away.”_ Tom Waites, “Step Right Up” ---
**Author:** ![Markxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@Markxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Markxxx)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 1999, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382/20 "1999-09-02T20:23:00Z")
I still say the Skipper and Gilligan were _homophobic_. I mean they slept _completely_ clothed. What kind of sailors do that? They sleep in their underwear. Also: > [@](#): > > PTVroman >             June was going to a PTA meeting, or something like that, and asked Ward if he wanted to go along. His response was “No thanks. I think I’ll stay here with the boys and pack some fudge.” What does that mean _pack some fudge_? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/old-tv-not-transvestites-homosexuality/7382.md?page=2)