# Oldest idiotic arguments on TV/movies
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**Created:** [July 19, 2016, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295 "2016-07-19T07:36:55Z")
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### Author:  [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/1 "2016-07-19T07:36:55Z")
What is the oldest idiotic arguments you’ve seen on TV/movies?
The earliest I remember was on _All in the Family._ Archie and Mike had a disagreement about putting on footwear, whether you should put on both socks, then both shoes, or put the sock and shoe on the left foot, then the sock and shoe of the right foot.
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/2 "2016-07-19T11:07:23Z")
By definition, ALL ABOUT EVE.
“Oh, waiter!”
“That is not a waiter, my dear; that is a butler.”
“Well, I can’t yell _Oh, Butler,_ can I? Maybe somebody’s name is Butler!”
“You have a point. [beat] An idiotic one, but a point.”
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### Author:  [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/3 "2016-07-19T12:56:11Z")
From _City Slickers II_:
Glen: All right, now the sun sets in the East, right?
Mitch: No! The sun sets in the West.
Glen: That’s if your _in_ the East, but we are way out West now, so we are past where the sun sets.
Mitch: You can’t be _passed_ where the sun sets, and if you think you can, then I am directly South of an idiot!
Phil: Which is down!
Mitch: Right!
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### Author:  [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/4 "2016-07-19T13:34:07Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#):
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> From _City Slickers II_: …
Hardly old and not even the best/earliest example in the franchise. The first movie had a great bit over recording on a VCR not needing a TV.
I think the 3 Stooges used to do some inane arguments, but my Google-fu isn’t giving me any specific examples.
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### Author:  [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/5 "2016-07-19T13:53:59Z")
> [@ftg](#):
>
> Hardly old and not even the best/earliest example in the franchise. The first movie had a great bit over recording on a VCR not needing a TV.
>
> I think the 3 Stooges used to do some inane arguments, but my Google-fu isn’t giving me any specific examples.
Or Abbott and Costello -
Who’s on first?
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_gSWTQKE-0)
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/6 "2016-07-19T13:57:12Z")
Side note: Rob Reiner says that the shoes and socks argument on All in the Family was based on an actual argument between him and Carrol O’Connor about the subject.
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/7 "2016-07-19T14:11:41Z")
IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT is pretty much made of this, because Clark Gable and Claudette Colbert flirt by bickering over trifles: how best to dunk a donut; the comparative merits of hitchhiking with a smile or a long face, or showing some leg instead of just sticking out a thumb; whether what he’s doing for her counts as a piggyback ride; and so on.
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### Author:  [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/8 "2016-07-19T14:20:52Z")
Rabbit season!
Duck season!
Rabbit season!
Duck season!
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### Author:  [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/9 "2016-07-19T14:20:56Z")
The first name on this subject: Mr. Preston Sturges
In a different sphere (and not exactly argument, but certainly an admonishment):
Felix: “Oscar, Oscar, Oscar.”
or (while wagging a finger) “Oscar…let it be on _your_ head!”
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### Author:  [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/10 "2016-07-19T14:34:57Z")
> [@TriPolar](#):
>
> Side note: Rob Reiner says that the shoes and socks argument on All in the Family was based on an actual argument between him and Carrol O’Connor about the subject.
Lampshaded by [reference left to the cognoscenti] “Button first, or zip first?”
Which, as viewers may recall, ended with “Wanna talk about socks?”
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### Author:  [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/11 "2016-07-19T14:37:29Z")
Not an idiotic argument, but I loved this exchange between Charles Bronson and Jason Robards in _Once Upon a Time in the West_:
**Cheyenne** : Harmonica, a town built around a railroad. [laughs] You could make a fortune. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Hey, more than that. Thousands of thousands.
**Harmonica** : They call them “millions.”
**Cheyenne** : “Millions.” Hmm.
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### Author:  [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/12 "2016-07-19T14:38:24Z")
The Three Stooges were making beer.
Curly: I put the yeast in.
Larry: No, I put the yeast in.
Moe: You’re both wrong _I_ put the yeast in.
They all look at the boiling pot of wort on the stove, which proceeds to explode.
(which wouldn’t really happen; yeast multiplies anyway, but this is the Stooge-iverse after all)
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### Author:  [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/13 "2016-07-19T14:45:28Z")
Not the oldest, but…
Vern: Do you think Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman?
Teddy: What are you, cracked?
Vern: Why not? I saw the other day he was carrying five elephants in one hand!
Teddy: Boy, you don’t know nothing! Mighty Mouse is a cartoon. Superman’s a real guy. There’s no way a cartoon could beat up a real guy.
Vern: Yeah, maybe you’re right. It’d be a good fight, though.
(from _Stand By Me_)
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### Author:  [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/14 "2016-07-19T17:59:19Z")
The oldest I’ve heard is from 1726 in _Gulliver’s Travels_ as to whether to open an egg the from the big end or the little end. Of course, the answer’s obvious… 😃
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### Author:  [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/15 "2016-07-19T18:11:08Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#):
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> Which, as viewers may recall, ended with “Wanna talk about socks?”
I’m not having this conversation.
😃
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### Author:  [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/16 "2016-07-19T18:36:42Z")
> [@Corner\_Case](#):
>
> The oldest I’ve heard is from 1726 in _Gulliver’s Travels_ as to whether to open an egg the from the big end or the little end. Of course, the answer’s obvious… 😃
I remember the movie. Gulliver suggests to the Brobdignagian king that he break the egg in the middle. The king does so, and is disgusted with the result.
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### Author:  [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/17 "2016-07-19T18:44:21Z")
Another argument: Barney Fife trying to reform Otis Campbell, the town drunk.
Or the pompous Frank Barone arguing with his sons about what constitutes “macho.”
Or (The Lucy Show): Lucy vs. Mr. Mooney on the subject of decorum.
Or Fred and Wilma Flintstone arguing about practically anything.
Or the stuck - up snob Veronica vs. the laid-back Jughead.
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### Author:  [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2016, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/18 "2016-07-19T23:43:15Z")
[spoiler] VASQUEZ
All right, we can’t blow the fuck
out of them…why not roll some
canisters of CN-20 down there.
Nerve gas the whole nest?
```
HUDSON
Look, man, let's just bug out and
call it even, okay?
RIPLEY
(to Vasquez)
No good. How do we know it'll
effect their biochemistry? I say
we take off and nuke the entire
site from orbit. It's the only
way to be sure.
BURKE
Now hold on a second. I'm not
authorizing that action.
RIPLEY
Why not?
Burke senses the challenge in her tone and backpedals
flawlessly into conciliatory mode.
BURKE
Well, I mean...I know this is an
emotional moment, but let's not
make snap judgments. Let's move
cautiously. First, this physical
installation had a substantial
dollar value attached to it --
RIPLEY
They can bill me. I got a tab
running. What's second?
BURKE
This is clearly an important
species we're dealing with here.
We can't just arbitrarily
exterminate them --
RIPLEY
Bullshit!
VASQUEZ
Yeah, bullshit. Watch us.
HUDSON
Maybe you haven't been keeping up
on current events, but we just got
out asses kicked, pal!
Ripley faces Burke squarely and she's not pleased.
RIPLEY
Look, Burke. We had an agreement.
Burke moves in, lowering his voice. He takes her aside
from the others.
BURKE
I know, I know, but we're dealing
with changing scenarios here. This
thing is major, Ripley. I mean
really major. You gotta go with
its energy. Since you are the
representative of the company who
discovered this species your
percentage will naturally be
some serious, serious money.
Ripley stares at his like he's a particularly
disagreeable fungus.
RIPLEY
You son of a bitch.
BURKE
(hardening)
Don't make me pull rank, Ripley.
RIPLEY
What rank? I believe Corporal Hicks
has authority here.
BURKE
Corporal Hicks!?
RIPLEY
This operation is under military
jurisdiction and Hicks is next in
chain of command. Right?
HICKS
Looks that way.
Burke starts to lose it and it's not a pretty sight.
BURKE
Look, this is a multimillion
dollar operation. He can't make
that kind of decision. He's just
a grunt!
(glances at Hicks)
No offense.
HICKS
(coolly)
None taken.
(into mike)
Ferro, you copying?
FERRO
(voice over; static)
Standing by.
HICKS
Prep for dust-off. We're gonna
need an immediate evac.
(to Burke)
I think we'll take off and nuke
the site from orbit. It's the
only way to be sure.[/spoiler]
```
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### Author:  [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/19 "2016-07-20T01:27:14Z")
Sonja: “I mean I’m out hustling tricks all day, teaching your illegitimate daughter the ropes and all you can think about is your stomach!”
Ramon: “What am I supposed to think about? _Your_ stomach?”
Sonja: (who’s preggers): “Fuck you, you Romanian scumbag!”
From the “Ramon and Sonja Show”
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### Author:  [@Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Backwater_Under_Duck)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2016, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-idiotic-arguments-on-tv-movies/760295/20 "2016-07-20T01:36:48Z")
> [@panache45](#):
>
> What is the oldest idiotic arguments you’ve seen on TV/movies?
>
> The earliest I remember was on _All in the Family._ Archie and Mike had a disagreement about putting on footwear, whether you should put on both socks, then both shoes, or put the sock and shoe on the left foot, then the sock and shoe of the right foot.
No, no. The time they were arguing about whether you eat your vegetables or meat first on a plate. Or all together. They were both on an enforced diet at the time. Dreaming of food. Mike wants it one way. Archie, showing his extreme mastery of any situation, argues for the sandwich. A perfect blend of meat, cheese, lettuce, dressing all in your mouth at the same time… excuse me, I gotta go make a sandwich. Which is what they did at that point.
I’m sorry. That wasn’t idiotic at all.
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