# Oldest murder victim? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [March 26, 2005, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-murder-victim/296328 "2005-03-26T07:05:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-murder-victim/296328/1 "2005-03-26T07:05:24Z")
A morbid question perhaps, but who is the oldest person ever to die by foul play? ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-murder-victim/296328/2 "2005-03-26T07:26:50Z")
Abel? Actually, I think Otzi the caveman might have the record. ---
**Author:** ![chukhung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e79b87/32.png) [@chukhung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chukhung)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-murder-victim/296328/3 "2005-03-26T14:53:14Z")
After some casual Googling, I found [this sketchy report](http://www.applicom.com/twibih/twib0011.html) of a body of a 102-year-old woman found in a mass grave in Bosnia-Hercegovina in 2000. Presumably she was the victim of foul play. > [@](#): > > The remains of another 25 Muslim victims from the Serb-controlled town of Prijedor was recently found in several mass graves. Among those bodies identified were a 102-year-old woman and 84-year-old man, investigators told AFP. I also found [a case](http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2003/Feb/16/ln/ln04a.html) where a nursing home operator was arrested for investigation of second-degree murder in the death of a 102-year-old, but no murder charges were filed and the operator [eventually pleaded guilty](http://starbulletin.com/2003/09/18/news/index12.html) to second-degree assault in a plea agreement. ---
**Author:** ![chukhung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e79b87/32.png) [@chukhung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chukhung)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-murder-victim/296328/4 "2005-03-27T01:58:28Z")
Did some more Googling and stumbled across [this report](http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR290012001?open&of=ENG-SLV) from Amnesty International about massacres that occurred in El Salvador in December of 1981 > [@](#): > > The same troops also massacred the civilian populations of La Joya and Cerro Pando cantons and the villages La Ranchería, Jocote Amarillo and Los Toriles, just before and after the massacre in El Mozote. According to reports, at least 767 people were killed in these massacres, amounting in some cases to the whole population of the villages. The large majority of victims were children, elderly people and women including a three-month old girl, a 105- year-old man and a nine-months pregnant woman. I also found this [PDF file](http://www.peacewomen.org/resources/Peacekeeping/RCMPGazette01.pdf) which contains a report about forensic investigations of atrocities in Kosovo by members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police which says > [@](#): > > Sometimes family members would be invited into the tent to identify personal effects such as watches and rings. In one case, the remains of a 105-year-old man were identified, partly as a result of information provided by the family about a leg fracture the old man had suffered a few years earlier. And, finally, here’s one I’m not at all sure about. My French is almost non-existant, but I think [this](http://www.vninfos.com/archives/cultsoc/cultsoc_-_no_13.html) is saying that a Vietnamese man was given the death sentence for strangling his 107-year-old grandfather in 2002 > [@](#): > > Un homme a été condamné à mort le 8 juin à Binh Dinh (centre du Viêt-Nam) pour avoir tué son grand-père de 107 ans à cause de sa longévité. Trân Van Khoa, 48 ans, a étranglé à mort en février dernier son grand-père Trân Vinh, le doyen de sa province, en trouvant que la longévité de ce dernier est un fardeau pour sa famille. Des meurtres commis entre les membres d’une même famille sont devenus fréquents ces derniers temps. La presse officielle dénonce une dégradation morale de la société, conséquence de la transition vers une économie du marché avec ses “impacts négatifs”. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-murder-victim/296328/5 "2005-03-27T04:02:18Z")
Yup, Trân Van Khoa killed his 107 year old grandfather, Trân Vinh. Apparently he said he did it because gramps had lived too long. But the government’s blaming the bad influence of capitalism. ---
**Author:** ![chukhung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e79b87/32.png) [@chukhung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chukhung)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2005, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oldest-murder-victim/296328/6 "2005-03-27T23:20:17Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > But the government’s blaming the bad influence of capitalism. Typical. I bet they say that every time a 107-year-old gets strangled…