# Olentzero Flamebaits Himself for Satan **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 15, 2001, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102 "2001-03-15T16:39:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2001, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/21 "2001-03-16T19:23:38Z")
_multiethnic_ So there, **Maeglin**. I got precedent. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2001, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/22 "2001-03-17T06:06:02Z")
_yeeeesh_, **Olentzero** , the _classic_ case of the mixture of Latin and Greek producing an abomination: . . . . . . Television! ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2001, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/23 "2001-03-17T06:11:22Z")
[Television](http://www.rhind.com/television.html) ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2001, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/24 "2001-03-17T10:45:29Z")
No one is safeā€¦ Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2001, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/25 "2001-03-17T11:58:22Z")
I just wanna duck in here to say that I LIKED **Satan**! Iā€™m sad that he was banned! (Watch: ā˜¹ See?) While I agree that continued ignoring of the rules is grounds for banning (PS: I LOVE you **mods**!! Would you like starch on your shorts?) I hope that if **Satan** apologizes and asks to be re-instated, you guys will at least consider the requestā€¦ Just my opinionā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Clairmont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@Clairmont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clairmont)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2001, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/26 "2001-03-17T13:06:50Z")
Iā€™m a recent registrant, but a long time lurker, and Satanā€™s characterization that Muffin was a weasel had little to do with his banning. It was merely the straw that broke the camelā€™s back. God knows weā€™ve all seen worse in GD. I think that the beginning of the end was when he questioned TubaDivaā€™s integrity a few months back. Donā€™t ask me to post a link. A computer is a typewriter with a TV that doesnā€™t get any good stations. I will continue to return here, to learn (GQ is my fave) but also to see if other posters are held to the same high standards that Satan was. I have seen some evidence that this is not the case, but that was then. This is now. Maybe the tolerance level of the Administrators and Moderators has slipped a couple of notches.I can certainly understand that. This is a huge board, and policing it must be a nightmare. Nevertheless, banning Satan, and Kyberneticist, was quick on the draw. These were valuable posters. Perhaps, as Esprix opined, none of us are safe. ---
**Author:** ![MysterEcks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@MysterEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysterEcks)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2001, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/27 "2001-03-18T19:58:52Z")
**Esprix** said: > [@](#): > > No one is safeā€¦ Oh, horseshitā€“that makes it sound like the admins and mods have taken to wearing brown shirts and are going around beating up non-aryans. Try this formulation: No one is safe because of their registration date, post count, or popularity amongst the masses. That would be an accurate statement of the conditions, and Iā€™ll be damned if I see anything objectionable in it. **Clairmont** said: > [@](#): > > Maybe the tolerance level of the Administrators and Moderators has slipped a couple of notches. Yes, I would say that the tolerance level _has_slipped a couple of notchesā€“maybe even more than a couple. This is unfortunate, but given the popualion growth of this board itā€™s also probably necessaryā€“the mods and admins donā€™t have the time or resources to play footsie with fuckups the way they used to. > [@](#): > > Nevertheless, banning Satan, and Kyberneticist, was quick on the draw. Iā€™m gonna concur in part and dissent in part. (Iā€™m practicing for when Bush appoints me to the Supreme Court.) Insofar as I understand the situation with **Kyberneticist** (and the entirety of my understanding comes from reading that thread on Fathom, so I am not exactly an expert), I donā€™t think I would have banned himā€“at least not without more warning to him that he was on the edge of the cliff. **Satan** is a bit differentā€“he had plenty of warning that he was about to go over the sideā€“but I probably wouldnā€™t have banned him either. If this were the MysterEcks Message Board, bannings would be few and far betweenā€“Iā€™m a libertarian at heart. But this ainā€™t the MysterEcks Message Board, and the admins and mods arenā€™t required to ask my opinion of how to do their jobs. The SDMB belongs to the \*Chicago Reader;\*the administrators and moderators are agents of the _Reader_authorized to run the place as they find necessary and proper. Their house, their rulesā€“the price we pay to participate here is to follow those rules and cooperate with the agents. We can disagree with those rules, and the interpretation and enforcement of themā€“and despite periodic angst from people who should know better, disgreement will not get you snuffedā€“but that isnā€™t license to not follow them. > [@](#): > > These were valuable posters. Read my formulation of **Esprixā€™s** statement again. Another way of stating it in another context would be: _ā€œthe rule of law, not individuals.ā€_ Should **Satan** be entitled to ignore rules that would apply to me, because heā€™s been here longer and has more posts and more people know who he is? Should I be entitled to ignore rules that would apply to you, because Iā€™ve been here longer and have more posts and more people know who I am? You say you want to see if other posters are held to the same standards as **Satan** , but arenā€™t you suggesting in part that **Satan** shouldnā€™t have been held to the same standards as other posters? In practical terms, there _is_some leewayā€“a poster the mods and admins know may be cut a little slack that somebody who has nine posts wonā€™tā€¦and I think that was exactly the case with **Satan**. (And this can work in reverse, tooā€“a nine-post poster may be cut some slack with regards to things like posting in the wrong forum, whereas a four-digit person would be presumed to know better.) This is understandable, but making it into policy would be a bad idea in my opinion. > [@](#): > > Donā€™t ask me to post a link. A computer is a typewriter with a TV that doesnā€™t get any good stations. Iā€™m glad to see Iā€™m not the only technically-inept person around here. ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2001, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/28 "2001-03-18T21:32:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > **No one is safeā€¦** Nah, itā€™s better to think of it as ā€œNo one is specialā€ ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2001, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/29 "2001-03-18T22:06:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Alphagene \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > > **No one is safeā€¦** > > Nah, itā€™s better to think of it as ā€œNo one is specialā€ \*\* Hey ā€¦ everyone is special in their own way! ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2001, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/30 "2001-03-19T16:18:04Z")
> [@](#): > > Or, of course, one could actually ask one of the moderators in e-mail why Kyber was banned. Thatā€™s kind of what weā€™d prefer. But John, have you no thought for the physical fitness of your posters, stuck behind their monitors waiting on your every word. The emotional calesthenics of jumping to conclusions, contorting other peopleā€™s positions, etc., keeps them in shape. As witness the forum you moderate. ā˜¹ ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2001, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/31 "2001-03-19T17:43:38Z")
Speaking of jumping to conclusions, etc.; I read **Esprixā€™** post and thought he was talking about **tomndebb** ā€™s trouble with the vB codeā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2001, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/32 "2001-03-19T20:32:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Corrado \* > Or, of course, one could actually ask one of the moderators in e-mail why Kyber was banned. Thatā€™s kind of what weā€™d prefer. My apologies, **John C.**. I started that thread before **Kyber** was banned, with no idea that he shortly would be. Given the rapid sequence of events in the next 2-3 hours (the deleted thread, Kyberā€™s banning), the conversation quickly included breaking developments. Next time, things arenā€™t likely to unfold the same way. Iā€™ll email first. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2001, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/33 "2001-03-20T01:24:42Z")
Thanks for the translation, **MysterEcks**. No one would ever be able to interpret my posts without your help. (Oh, wait, almost forgot this: :rolleyes: ) Esprix ---
**Author:** ![MysterEcks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@MysterEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysterEcks)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2001, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/35 "2001-03-20T04:43:54Z")
**Esprix** said: > [@](#): > > Thanks for the translation, **MysterEcks**. No one would ever be able to interpret my posts without your help. I didnā€™t realize that once constituted ā€œeverā€ā€¦but youā€™re welcome. (Oopsā€¦I donā€™t wanna forget this: :D) ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2001, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/36 "2001-03-20T06:29:46Z")
I had a feeling this was gonna turn ugly sooner or later. Last thing I wanted to do (although Iā€™m sure I invited it just by opening this thread) was revive any sort of debate on Satan or moderator actions/personality/behavior. For better or for worse, Iā€™m having this thread locked. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2001, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102/37 "2001-03-20T13:18:08Z")
Poly- while it is true that jumping to a conclusion is good for getting the heart races, I prefer a more calisthenic workout- gathering together evidence, assembling it into monoliths of proof, and moving mountains of ignorance with our work. At the request of the OP, Iā€™m gonna close this thread. If youā€™d like to further discuss the Satan issue (or any other issue touched upon in this thread), feel free to open a new thread. John [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/olentzero-flamebaits-himself-for-satan/58102.md?page=1)