# Oliver Stone: Fidel's Leni Riefenstahl..only dumber. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 16, 2004, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oliver-stone-fidels-leni-riefenstahl-only-dumber/240369 "2004-04-16T15:16:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2004, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oliver-stone-fidels-leni-riefenstahl-only-dumber/240369/21 "2004-04-16T22:46:53Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > If you read my first post you will see it was just a BTW comment which seems a propos when we are (rightly) condemning human rights abuses in Cuba. Actually, I think we’re making fun of Oliver Stone for being a numbnuts of collossal proportions. Human rights abuses are ancillary to the topic. > [@](#): > > At any rate and regarding Oliver Stone, I just avoid his movies as they do not interest me. I understand some people might like his fantasies but what I don’t understand are those who take his movies for documentaries. Can’t argue with that. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oliver-stone-fidels-leni-riefenstahl-only-dumber/240369/22 "2004-04-17T00:42:22Z")
I don’t mean to sound like a complete simpleton, but if America is so evil and Castro is so wonderful then why aren’t there more rubber rafts and innertubes taking people _TO_ Cuba from America? (Oh wait… it’s because Americans are free to go anywhere they damned well please, unlike some people who are so happy where they are that armed guards will stop them.) I really liked Robert Duvall’s calling of shenanigans when he was [interviewed](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/06/60II/main591671.shtml) on 60 Minutes and was asked about Spielberg’s meeting with/praise of Castro. > [@Duvall](#): > > “Now, what I want to ask him – and I know he’s going to get pissed off – ‘Would you consider building a little annex on the holocaust museum or at least across the street to honor the dead Cubans that Castro killed,’” says Duvall. “That’s very presumptuous of him to go there … I’ll tell him that. I’ll never work at Dreamworks again, but I don’t care about working there anyway.” ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oliver-stone-fidels-leni-riefenstahl-only-dumber/240369/23 "2004-04-17T01:50:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Americans are free to go anywhere they damned well please… Unless, of course, [it pleases them to go to Cuba.](http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/02/09/cuba.travel.ap/) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oliver-stone-fidels-leni-riefenstahl-only-dumber/240369/24 "2004-04-17T05:50:51Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > Unless, of course, [it pleases them to go to Cuba.](http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/02/09/cuba.travel.ap/) Americans are completely allowed to relocate and or renounce their citizenship and could do so as easily as driving to Canada and hopping a flight to Havana. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oliver-stone-fidels-leni-riefenstahl-only-dumber/240369/25 "2004-04-17T10:54:03Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Americans are completely allowed to relocate and or renounce their citizenship and could do so as easily as driving to Canada and hopping a flight to Havana. And Chinese or Cubans are allowed to renounce their citizenship and go into exile and then criticize their governments as much as they want but I would say a person should not have to renounce his citizenship and rights in order to exercise some other basic rights. Just my humble opinion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oliver-stone-fidels-leni-riefenstahl-only-dumber/240369.md?page=1)