# OMG!!! Christian groups upset AGAIN! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 20, 2006, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899 "2006-12-20T06:47:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![stegon66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@stegon66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stegon66)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/1 "2006-12-20T06:47:02Z")
From the IMDB: > [@](#): > > Christian groups have slammed the remake of cult 1974 movie Black Christmas, because they find the horror movie “offensive.” The Glen Morgan-directed film stars Oliver Hudson, Katie Cassidy, Lacey Chabert and Michelle Trachtenberg and centers on a group of US college students who battle a slasher over the Christmas holidays. The movie will be released on Christmas Day in US cinemas, much to the horror of Christian groups. Mathew Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, says, “To have a movie that emphasizes murder and mayhem at Christmas, a time of celebration and joy around the world seems to be ill founded.” Jennifer Giroux, co-founder of Operation Just Say Merry Christmas, adds, “The use of religious music ‘Silent Night’ and the nativity set on the front porch in one scene are insensitive to Christians. It’s not enough to ignore and omit Christmas, but now it has to be offended, insulted and desecrated. Our most sacred holiday, actually a holy day, is being assaulted.” Oh, boo-hoo! Ya know, let’s band together and make a movie they’ll _really_ shit their britches over. How does _Bible Camp Massacre_ sound? With a killer dressed as Jesus? And starring Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears as camp counselors? Yep, I’m goin’ to Hell. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/2 "2006-12-20T06:57:13Z")
My GOD, I can’t believe it… That movie is a lousy _remake_?! Has Hollywood abandoned _all_ pretense of originality?! And the protest isn’t original, either, following precisely in the footsteps of the doops who protested [_Silent Night, Deadly Night_](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088117/) back in 1984. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/3 "2006-12-20T06:58:42Z")
Given the prospective cast, might I suggest something “edgy”, like combining elements of the slasher pic and reality TV? You know, authenticity? ---
**Author:** ![Strinka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/strinka/32/512_2.png) [@Strinka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strinka)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/4 "2006-12-20T07:17:27Z")
Most sacred holiday? Isn’t Easter supposed to be the most sacred Christian holiday? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/5 "2006-12-20T07:20:26Z")
What the moviemakers should have done if they wanted to set a movie in American over the period 24-26 December was not have any references to “Christmas”, not use any green and red napkins (etc), not use any carols and not use any overt religious imagery. Oh wait, I just thought of a catch… ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/6 "2006-12-20T07:21:40Z")
Or in America… ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/7 "2006-12-20T07:42:10Z")
> [@Mathew Staver](#): > > …Christmas, a time of celebration and joy around the world… Yes, indeed–Christmas is the day on which all people in every land, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and atheists; from Japan to India; from Saudi Arabia to Communist China; all come together to celebrate the birth of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I hear Pyongyang has an especially lovely illuminated Nativity scene this year. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/8 "2006-12-20T08:09:15Z")
Man, that Bob Clark’s got a hell of a filmography there. He spends the 70’s making slasher movies (including the original “Black Christmas”), then in the 80’s goes on to do _Porky’s_, _Rhinestone_, and _A Christmas Story_. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/9 "2006-12-20T13:01:33Z")
[QUOTE=Strinka] Most sacred holiday? Isn’t Easter supposed to be the most sacred Christian holiday? [/QUOTE] That’s what I was thinking. Easter is definitely a bigger deal in my church. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/10 "2006-12-20T13:19:58Z")
I guess I can forget about making _The Passion of Kris Kringle_. The reindeer slaughter scene alone (that’s about 30 minutes of screen time) might get me in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/11 "2006-12-20T13:20:29Z")
[QUOTE=MEBuckner] Yes, indeed–Christmas is the day on which all people in every land, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and atheists; from Japan to India; from Saudi Arabia to Communist China; all come together to celebrate the birth of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I hear Pyongyang has an especially lovely illuminated Nativity scene this year. [/QUOTE] [Mr. Garrison, is that you?](http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southparkchefaidmrhankeyschristmasclassics/merryfuckingchristmas.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/12 "2006-12-20T13:20:49Z")
[QUOTE=Slacker] That’s what I was thinking. Easter is definitely a bigger deal in my church. [/QUOTE] Actually, the single focal point of historic Christianity, across all major traditions from Coptic to Baptist, is the _triduum_ (and please, no Latin scholars tell me why that’s wrong – it’s the standard usage, whether or not derived correctly). This is the commemoration of Maundy Thursday (institution of the Last Supper, footwashing, Jesus’s farewell discourses), Good Friday (Crucifixion), and Easter Day (Resurrection), taken as an extended whole. And yes, as a _religious holiday_ it is far more significant than Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/13 "2006-12-20T13:23:33Z")
Did they also complain about the 1st two Die Hard movies taking place during Christmas? Lots of murder and mayhem there too. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/14 "2006-12-20T13:25:14Z")
[QUOTE=MEBuckner] I hear Pyongyang has an especially lovely illuminated Nativity scene this year. [/QUOTE] It looked a lot better before Ashcroft made them drape a towel over the pyongyang. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/15 "2006-12-20T13:49:52Z")
[QUOTE=stegon66] From the IMDB: Oh, boo-hoo! Ya know, let’s band together and make a movie they’ll _really_ shit their britches over. How does _Bible Camp Massacre_ sound? With a killer dressed as Jesus? And starring Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears as camp counselors? Yep, I’m goin’ to Hell. [/QUOTE] I’m thinking a mostly gay porn remake of _Jesus Christ, Superstar_ might be more effective. ---
**Author:** ![Baracus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@Baracus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baracus)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/16 "2006-12-20T13:54:09Z")
Bah, so some little Christian group got their panties in a bunch over some movie most people won’t bother seeing. Who cares? The vast majority of Christians couldn’t give a tiny rat’s ass about this kind of crap. Unfortunately interviews of people shrugging their shoulders and saying “meh?” don’t make for good television or newsprint. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/17 "2006-12-20T13:57:46Z")
Well, in the deeply respected and beautifully annotated and footnoted “I read it somewhere” (in the last week, on some news/political site or another," I read that 95% of Americans are NOT offended by “Merry Christmas,” but somewhere in the 20%s ARE offended by “Happy Holidays.” Yeah, but CHRISTMAS is under attack. Okay. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/18 "2006-12-20T14:09:44Z")
[QUOTE=Hamadryad] Well, in the deeply respected and beautifully annotated and footnoted “I read it somewhere” (in the last week, on some news/political site or another," I read that 95% of Americans are NOT offended by “Merry Christmas,” but somewhere in the 20%s ARE offended by “Happy Holidays.” Yeah, but CHRISTMAS is under attack. Okay. [/QUOTE] My parents are one of those 20%. Makes me want to roll my eyes sometimes, because unless it is actually Christmas day, saying Happy Holidays isn’t trying to water down Christmas, it is acknowledging that there are people out there with different beliefs, and a religious holiday during this time of year. Of course, my parents are the type that think Bibles should be a schoolbook and “evil”-lution not taught in school, so take that as you would. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/19 "2006-12-20T14:12:04Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **asterion** > Mr. Garrison, is that you? [Here is the vid](http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDD6DRQ6XBw) ---
**Author:** ![Autumn\_Almanac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@Autumn\_Almanac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autumn_Almanac)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2006, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899/20 "2006-12-20T14:23:55Z")
[QUOTE=Revtim] Did they also complain about the 1st two Die Hard movies taking place during Christmas? Lots of murder and mayhem there too. [/QUOTE] To say nothing of _Gremlins_, the Christmas-themed horror movie to rule them all! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-christian-groups-upset-again/384899.md?page=2)