# OMG!!! Even the World Net Daily is waking up. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 20, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081 "2005-06-20T17:32:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/1 "2005-06-20T17:32:16Z")
The cracks are turning into canyons. [http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE\_ID=44852](http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44852) The times they are a changin’. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/2 "2005-06-20T17:35:43Z")
Oh, my! Oh, dear! Oh, goody! ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/3 "2005-06-20T17:37:35Z")
People who believe the Bush administration is corrupt didn’t need this additional thread/ article. those who don’t will dismiss your source (and you, but that’s standard). Those unconvinced will not be convinced by this. so who the fuck is left for you to address this to? ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/4 "2005-06-20T17:55:28Z")
I gotta agree with Wring. In todays America, somebody could find a handwritten note signed by W that said “I know Saddam has no WMD AND he is not involved with 9/11 but he made my Daddy look silly. I order everyone to make up shit we know is false and lie to the American people. I have no intention to listen to the UN we are goin to war Baby. Oh yea I really did wimp out on my National Guard duty and did snort pounds of cocaine and am still secretly an alcoholic and like to fuck sheep. May GOD forgive me.” The majority of the voters in this country would say “So what Clinton got a blow job in the white house” then they would say “Bless his heart, see he has been saved! We need a constitutional amendment to allow him to be King.” ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/5 "2005-06-20T18:09:48Z")
Wow, a guy writing an opinion piece for WorldNetDaily agrees with **Reeder**. Amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/6 "2005-06-20T18:15:44Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Wow, a guy writing an opinion piece for WorldNetDaily agrees with **Reeder**. Amazing. It **is** amazing. **Reeder** is normally the anti-WND; for them to be in agreement is a rare occurrence indeed. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/7 "2005-06-20T18:31:20Z")
I know. Still, it’s only one guy writing an opinion piece. He doesn’t speak for the whole organization. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/8 "2005-06-20T18:31:41Z")
> [@wring](#): > > so who the fuck is left for you to address this to? If we’ve learned one thing about this administration is that the constant repetition of a message is much more important than the truth of the message. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/9 "2005-06-20T18:39:49Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > If we’ve learned one thing about this administration is that the constant repetition of a message is much more important than the truth of the message. that only seems to work for them, as far as I recall. “Saddam has WMD” for example. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/10 "2005-06-20T18:43:03Z")
> [@wring](#): > > People who believe the Bush administration is corrupt didn’t need this additional thread/ article. those who don’t will dismiss your source (and you, but that’s standard). > Those unconvinced will not be convinced by this. > > so who the fuck is left for you to address this to? It was interesting to this person who already believes the Bush admin is corrupt to see WND have this type of editorial. Thanks for starting this thread, **Reeder**. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/11 "2005-06-20T20:44:42Z")
Pip, pip. We need bold scouts and fearless rangers to venture into such dark territory and report back. To boldly go where nobody in his right mind… ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/12 "2005-06-20T21:55:52Z")
Hey…I even read Drudge. I read both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/13 "2005-06-20T22:41:38Z")
It seems that this particular columnist isn’t exactly cut from the same cloth as other WND clones. He calls John Bolton [“Bonkers Bolton”](http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43830), implied that the war in Iraq was [illegal,](http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44059) among other things. On the other hand, he thinks we should arm our missile defense system with [nuclear weapons](http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21421). That is certainly an interesting columnist. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/14 "2005-06-20T23:29:18Z")
Yup, he’s WND’s token nutball. (These are the jokes, folks.) But he certainly doesn’t represent WND as a whole. He’s a columnist, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2005, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/15 "2005-06-21T04:25:02Z")
So what was WorldNetDaily like before Bush came along to give them silliness in need of constant defending, anyway? Did they give ironclad proof that Bill Clinton was a rapist who traded nuclear secrets to China for drug money every week? Did they print stories about who grew the county’s largest squash? Did they even exist? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2005, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/16 "2005-06-21T11:24:16Z")
As I recall, the Bill=Rapist thing. To the point if he saw a therapist, they’d yell “He’s the-rapist!” Also, Christian Loony stuff. Like the Ten Commandments stuff. Basically? Birchers. ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2005, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/17 "2005-06-21T11:45:26Z")
Would it be too much to ask for the OP to put a short summary of the article, like, in the OP? If it’s important enough for you to devote an entire thread to, then it should be important enough for you to give the rest of us some clue as to a) what the article you linked to is about, b) why this is important to you, and c) why this should be important to me. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2005, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/18 "2005-06-21T12:23:31Z")
> [@The Tooth](#): > > So what was WorldNetDaily like before Bush came along to give them silliness in need of constant defending, anyway? Did they give ironclad proof that Bill Clinton was a rapist who traded nuclear secrets to China for drug money every week? Did they print stories about who grew the county’s largest squash? Did they even exist? They were around. And yes, it was mostly Clinton bashing — and predictions of a future police state. Little did they know it would be Republican leadership bringing it about. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2005, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/19 "2005-06-21T12:37:05Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2005, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081/20 "2005-06-21T17:59:36Z")
**Reeder** , everybody in the world thought Saddam had WMDs. That was what the intelligence reports were telling us LONG before Bush took office and even after he took office. The fact that they haven’t been found is far more likely to be attributed to the fact that for 10 years, Saddam led the UN around by its collective dick on the sham weapons inspection program, and the weapons wound up hidden somewhere else. My bet is on Syria. > [@](#): > > “One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” > President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 > > “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” > President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998. > > “Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.” > Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998. > > “He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” > Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998. > > “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” > Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998 > > “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” > Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998. > > “Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” > Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999. > > “There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” > Letter to President Bush, Signed by Joe Lieberman (D-CT), John McCain (Rino-AZ) and others, Dec. 5, 2001 > > “We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” > Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002. > > “We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” > Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002. > > “Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” > Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002. > > “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” > Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002. > > “The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…” > Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002. > > “I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I b elieve that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” > Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002. > > “There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” > Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002. > > “He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” > Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002. > > “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” > Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002. > > “We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” > Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002. > > “[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his contin ued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …” > Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omg-even-the-world-net-daily-is-waking-up/309081.md?page=2)