# Omnibus Chess News Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** board-card-word-game, chess\ **Created:** [January 25, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801 "2023-01-25T19:43:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/101 "2024-11-12T15:58:48Z")
> [@glee](#): > > The man is definitely a genius - apart from chess he speaks three languages fluently and gave two lectures to our pupils on other occasions (one on chess - the other on the invention of the stirrup!) Crazy-ass Fischer firmly disagreed šŸ˜‰ (he functionally called him an idiot savant while claiming HE was the actual genius šŸ˜œ). Anyway Kasparov is probably the GOAT of chess and Iā€™m sure he has some smarts, but he is definitely not a renaissance man. He was a fan of [Fomenkoā€™s New Chronology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_chronology_(Fomenko)), which Iā€™m afraid is just beyond nutty. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/102 "2024-11-12T17:20:48Z")
> [@glee](#): > > The man is definitely a genius - apart from chess he speaks three languages fluently and gave two lectures to our pupils on other occasions (one on chess - the other on the invention of the stirrup!) > [@Tamerlane](#): > > Crazy-ass Fischer firmly disagreed šŸ˜‰ (he functionally called him an idiot savant while claiming HE was the actual genius šŸ˜œ). Anyway Kasparov is probably the GOAT of chess and Iā€™m sure he has some smarts, but he is definitely not a renaissance man. He was a fan of [Fomenkoā€™s New Chronology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_chronology_(Fomenko)), which Iā€™m afraid is just beyond nutty. Fischer was undoubtedly one of the greatest chess players of all time. However he was poorly educated and achieved nothing outside chess. (Iā€™m assuming that the excellent book by Fischer ā€˜My 60 memorable gamesā€™ was written by Larry Evans - Fischer just providing analysis.) Kasparov has written many fine books (e.g. ā€˜My Great Predecessorsā€™) and set up a successful chess academy. He is a regular contributor to the Wall Street Journal. He also was instrumental on developing [Chess News | ChessBase](https://en.chessbase.com/). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/103 "2024-11-12T21:40:24Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Anyway Kasparov is probably the GOAT of chessā€¦ Heā€™s certainly up there, but Iā€™m not sure by what metric one would label him ā€œgreatestā€. So far as I know, Carlsen still has the highest Elo ranking of any human, which is the obvious way to compare them. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/104 "2024-11-12T23:10:34Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > So far as I know, Carlsen still has the highest Elo ranking of any human, which is the obvious way to compare them. Eh, Iā€™m not making a strong argument - I genuinely donā€™t care. Carlsen has called him the GOAT in a recentish interview, but maybe he was just trying to be modest. I guess it depends on if you believe ā€œElo inflationā€ is a thing or not, which is another thing I donā€™t have a strong opinion on. Letā€™s just say likely somewhere on the Mt. Rushmore of chess and leave it at that. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/105 "2024-11-13T23:39:00Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Letā€™s just say likely somewhere on the Mt. Rushmore of chess and leave it at that. Hmmā€¦ so who is on that Mt Rushmore? Carlsen, Kasparov, Fischer, andā€¦ Morphy? I guess only the finally spot is really up for debate. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/106 "2024-11-13T23:43:59Z")
Morphy probably was the most dominant player of his time. Sounds good to me. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/107 "2024-11-14T00:08:38Z")
Iā€™d also pick Morphy. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/108 "2024-11-14T00:20:55Z")
So, two chess masters that went crazy and two that havenā€™tā€¦yet. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/109 "2024-11-14T01:40:55Z")
Eh. Peak ELO depends massively on the competition available. Average accuracy (according to some engine) strongly depends on training tools available to you. Doesnā€™t seem to me that thereā€™s any objective metric to name a GOAT. Maybe there are advanced chess analytics Iā€™m not aware of, like expected wins over replacement or something like that? Based on interviews Iā€™ve seen I feel like Kasparov is the choice like 50% of the time, Carlsen 45% of the time, Fisher 4.9%, and 0.1% people trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/110 "2024-11-17T15:06:21Z")
Magnus Carlsen has won his seventh tournament of the year, this time the Tata Steel Rapid/Blitz tournament. If you enjoy chess and want to see a brain-bending finish, watch this endgame he voluntarily enters (and wins) against Vincent Keymer. It also has some crazy midgame tactics. [Round 7 Carlsen - Keymer TSRB](https://lichess.org/broadcast/tata-steel-india-2024--rapid-open/round-7/7Farjlo4/FKOVJTSX) ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/111 "2024-11-19T03:30:38Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Hmmā€¦ so who is on that Mt Rushmore? > > Carlsen, Kasparov, Fischer, andā€¦ Morphy? I guess only the finally spot is really up for debate. Stockfish? šŸŸ ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/112 "2024-11-25T13:17:02Z")
Ding Liren wins the first match of the World Championship from the black side, which is quite a feat. Ding played the French Defense, pretty rare from him, particularly because the last time he sprung it as a surprise in a match (against Nepomniachtchi) he lost. Looks like chess is back on the menu, boys! [FIDE World Chess Championship 2024 - All the Information - Chess.com](https://www.chess.com/events/2024-fide-chess-world-championship/01/Gukesh_D-Ding_Liren) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/113 "2024-11-25T14:29:32Z")
Interesting. I saw some interviews witha bunch of GMs a couple weeks ago and everyone predicted Gukesh winning easily. Nobody even entertained Ding defending. Perhaps overconfident predictions. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/114 "2024-11-25T17:45:18Z")
The thing is that Ding has been having a horrendous run of form for the past while. Based on his recent performances, he would be a huge underdog in the match. But if heā€™s recovered something around his top form, then itā€™s a different story. For reference, here are Dingā€™s positions on the world ranking list for the last few Novembers: Nov. 2018: 4th Nov. 2019: 3rd Nov. 2020: 3rd Nov. 2021: 2nd Nov. 2022: 2nd Nov. 2023: 3rd Nov. 2024: 23rd ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/115 "2024-11-26T11:52:56Z")
I donā€™t get up early to watch these (they start at 3 AM my local time), but whenever I wake up I turn on the TV to see what I find, and today I found them in a repetition of moves in a solid position, i.e. they unofficially agreed to a draw. 1.5 Liren - 0.5 Gukesh, 12 games to go. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/116 "2024-11-27T12:52:26Z")
Gukesh ties it up with a win, 1.5 - 1.5. Ding didnā€™t look great. I should add, Ding lost on time, but he was losing anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/117 "2024-12-03T14:32:29Z")
Itā€™s 3.5 - 3.5 now. You might think a match with two wins and five draws would be boring, but itā€™s been tense, and todayā€™s draw was hair-raising. Gukesh had the advantage twice, but Ding kept complicating the position, and eventually the match swung from Ding in time trouble to Gukesh in time trouble. Itā€™s turning out to be a fun match! ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/118 "2024-12-03T15:42:04Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > eventually the match gameā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/119 "2024-12-03T15:45:24Z")
Apparently implied betting odds were like 80% Gukesh before the match started. Some rumors that Dingā€™s performance over the past ~year was part of a strategy of appearing weak. I think thatā€™s pretty unlikely, but would be hilarious/awesome if true. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801/120 "2024-12-03T16:09:55Z")
Something a _bit_ like it happened when he initially won the world championship. I donā€™t mean pretending to be bad, but I think due to COVID, he had not played enough to qualify for the candidates iirc. So what followed was a pretty epic suggestion of matches and tournaments followed by the candidates itself. As I say, not the same thing, but the point is, he has form when it comes to rolling up his sleeves and delivering when it really matters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-chess-news-thread/978801.md?page=7)