# Omnibus Evil MFers in the news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496 "2023-05-03T11:05:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/201 "2023-08-17T17:42:46Z")
Might be that WBC had a direct line to 7-11 and got a few Bic lighters. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/202 "2023-08-17T19:14:07Z")
I actually had that thought too, but the investigation seems to be pointing in the direction of power lines. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2023, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/203 "2023-08-18T01:46:47Z")
I hate to say it but I was thinking this too. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/204 "2023-08-19T10:55:25Z")
How many dead babies is too many?([Hospital bosses ignored months of doctors' warnings about Lucy Letby - BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66120934)) These hospital executives are, IMHO and if this reporting is accurate, complicit in this (serial?) killer getting away with it for so long. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/205 "2023-08-19T11:52:31Z")
Why the question mark on “serial”? From your link: > [@](#): > > Letby would ultimately be charged with seven murders and 15 attempted murders between June 2015 and June 2016. She was found guilty of all seven murders and seven attempted murders. Not counting the other charged murders and attempted murders for which evidence was insufficient to secure conviction. If that doesn’t count as a serial killer, not sure what does. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/206 "2023-08-19T11:55:32Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Why the question mark on “serial”? From your link: I’m not entirely sure why I added the ". I guess my thinking was that I’m not an expert, so I wasn’t sure if there was some qualification she might have missed to be classified as a serial killer. But if the BBC says she is, I can’t disagree. Blame early morning bleariness. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/207 "2023-08-19T16:43:31Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I guess my thinking was that I’m not an expert, so I wasn’t sure if there was some qualification she might have missed to be classified as a serial killer. Generally a serial murderer kills people in different instances over a long period of time. If you kill a bunch of people in one instance it’s called being a mass-murderer, and if you kill people in different instances in a short period of time it’s called being a spree killer. At least that’s my understanding. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/208 "2023-08-19T17:08:18Z")
The fact that we have separate terms for all these is really depressing. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/209 "2023-08-19T22:06:52Z")
Humans have many ways to be evil. We’re good at it. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/210 "2023-08-19T22:48:13Z")
[Man convicted of killing roommate with sword](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/connecticut-man-convicted-killing-roommate-samurai-sword-after-102385736). He’ll get out on appeal though - he’s a sovereign citizen and their illegitimate state laws don’t apply to him. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/211 "2023-08-19T23:02:37Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > [Man convicted of killing roommate with sword](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/connecticut-man-convicted-killing-roommate-samurai-sword-after-102385736). > > He’ll get out on appeal though - he’s a sovereign citizen and their illegitimate state laws don’t apply to him. - He’s going to need a cutting-edge legal team. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/212 "2023-08-19T23:07:00Z")
Nah, I’m pretty sure they’ll stick it to him. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2023, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/213 "2023-08-20T00:01:54Z")
After he gets run through the system there won’t be much left of him. I’ve read lots in the news about evil hackers running wild on the internet, but how did this guy get out of the wires? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2023, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/214 "2023-08-20T01:56:07Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > he’s a sovereign citizen and their illegitimate state laws don’t apply to him. Which would mean state laws don’t protect him, either. So it an irate relative of the victim or even some passing stranger should murder _him_, well, sux to be him. What’s he gonna do, call the cops? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/215 "2023-08-20T01:59:43Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > > [@Jackmannii](#): > > > > he’s a sovereign citizen and their illegitimate state laws don’t apply to him. > > Which would mean state laws don’t protect him, either. So it an irate relative of the victim or even some passing stranger should murder _him_, well, sux to be him. What’s he gonna do, call the cops? - If he’s been murdered, he can’t very well call the cops. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2023, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/216 "2023-08-20T02:46:28Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > What’s he gonna do, call the cops? His victim called the cops twice before he was murdered, for all the good it did him. I note with interest that the sword is described as a “Samurai-type” sword, but that the victim was stabbed to death. One doesn’t stab people with the long sword, one slashes them or cuts off their head. And the only person one stabs with the short sword is oneself (before slicing ones guts open and hopefully having a very competent second to slice off one’s head quickly afterward). ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2023, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/217 "2023-08-20T02:59:33Z")
Well, the slashing or beheading as correct technique assumes the sword-wielder knows how to use it properly and isn’t just some nutcase with anger issues. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2023, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/218 "2023-08-20T04:15:31Z")
One of my favorite science fiction authors wrote a book in which the legal system on the planet of New Texas had an interesting idea. People elected to public office were fair game. If you gunned one down yoy were only punished to the extent that you might have endangered bystanders. Of course they could defend themselves and shoot back, or disarm their assailant any way in which they could. The system was supposed to remind public officials that they were not there to oppress people or take away rights. One guy who proposed an income tax was killed with a machete. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2023, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/219 "2023-08-20T11:57:58Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > > [@Jackmannii](#): > > > > he’s a sovereign citizen and their illegitimate state laws don’t apply to him. > > Which would mean state laws don’t protect him, either. So it an irate relative of the victim or even some passing stranger should murder _him_, well, sux to be him. What’s he gonna do, call the cops? Well, it would mean that if SovCits were logically consistent. But they aren’t. Ordinary laws apply to everyone else - they are immune; you are not. It’s simply a learned variation on selfish raging psychopathy. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/220 "2023-08-20T14:09:49Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > One of my favorite science fiction authors wrote a book in which the legal system on the planet of New Texas had an interesting idea. People elected to public office were fair game. If you gunned one down yoy were only punished to the extent that you might have endangered bystanders. I read that story not that long ago, but for the life of me I can’t recall the author’s name or the story’s title. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > Well, it would mean that if SovCits were logically consistent. But they aren’t. Ordinary laws apply to everyone else - they are immune; you are not. > > It’s simply a learned variation on selfish raging psychopathy. Better/Worse yet: what you see on the intertubes and in the “news of the odd” stories are those sovcits nutters who are basically practicing. They might not realize that’s what they’re doing or they may. Those who don’t realize it are providing valuable information to the truly dedicated and dangerous sovcits. Those who do realize it are taking that information and preparing. This is something that judges, LEOs, and even certain civil servants cannot forget: sovcits are damned dangerous. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=12)