# Omnibus Evil MFers in the news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496 "2023-05-03T11:05:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 165
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3281 "2025-08-03T13:23:55Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Only 40 inhabitants on 150 acres of land - quaint! Hopefully they will attract many more of their kind to come live there. Once we have all the WHITE people in one place, it will be more convenient for dealing with them appropriately. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3282 "2025-08-03T13:39:10Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > 150 acres being a quarter section, what these folks have is a hobby farm. A hippy commune for racist ignoramuses. This, yes. > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > What a fucking shithole down south is becoming. How much did Lowe’s charge you for that broad brush? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3284 "2025-08-03T14:53:42Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > How much did Lowe’s charge you for that broad brush? Sure, 75,000,000 didn’t vote for Trump in ‘24, but that does not, IN THE SLIGHTEST BIT (where did the italic function suddenly diappear to?) ameliorate the fact that - along with the Overton window - the United\<\<\< (???) States of America is so grotesquely shit-sliding into a theocratic, racist, mysoginst, goddamned fucking shithole that, sure, makes me mourn for the rest of you sensible, fair-minded folk who have to personally deal with it. Acutally, not just you folks, though - the rest of the fucking world seems to be having to deal with it too. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3285 "2025-08-03T15:35:20Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1022135/2): > > He choked his daughter so hard she lost consciousness. This is on video, and the reason he was convicted of assaulting her. What was he attempting to do, bake her a cake? You don’t have all the info. [https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/thurston-county-parents-attempted-murder-trial-closing-statements/281-e461c523-8ee2-44c8-ad0b-eac45100fbc1](https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/thurston-county-parents-attempted-murder-trial-closing-statements/281-e461c523-8ee2-44c8-ad0b-eac45100fbc1) > Ihsan Ali’s attorney, Erik Kaeding, blamed the girl’s boyfriend for turning a family discussion into a mob attack. Kaeding told jurors the boyfriend pushed the father and daughter to the ground. Moments later several students started punching and kicking the father, said Kaeding. Kaeding said the father was trying to protect his daughter on the bottom of a pileup. > > “Something a father would want to do, hang onto his child. Now is it unfortunate her neck was compressed? Yes. But that is not a crime if you don’t intend it,” said Kaeding. The video showed chaos. It wasn’t like Homer Simpson choking Bart. It was a bunch of people on tape. Clearly the jury didn’t fully believe the story from the dad’s attorney because he was convicted of assault. But they didn’t believe he tried to murder her. And further, on the part of the mother… > Tim Leary, Zahraa Ali’s attorney, said his client was trying to console her daughter, not choke her. > > Leary reminded jurors the daughter testified she did not think her mother was trying to hurt her. The jury seemed to believe the mother’s story as she wasn’t convicted of anything directly related to attacking her daughter. > [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1022135/2): > > We need to get very vigilant about zero tolerance for honor killings or two-tiered justice in the U.S. The kind of people who do this will be given an inch and take a hundred miles. This sounds a lot like convicting people for their ethnicity. There was no evidence of an honor killing and I’m glad the jury had better judgement than you. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3287 "2025-08-03T16:46:44Z")
A new subspecialty for Strangulation Lawyers? [https://www.criminalattorneycolumbus.com/criminal-defense/ohio-strangulation-cases/](https://www.criminalattorneycolumbus.com/criminal-defense/ohio-strangulation-cases/) > **[Domestic Violence and Strangulation Lawyers Archives - Gess Mattingly &...](https://www.gmalaw.com/service/lexington-domestic-violence-and-strangulation-lawyers/)** > > Whether charged as a misdemeanor or a felony, domestic violence is a serious criminal offense. A conviction for a domestic violence felony, such as strangulation, can carry years in prison, and even a misdemeanor crime involving domestic violence can... ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3288 "2025-08-03T21:06:17Z")
Here’s a good one. > **[New Zealand woman arrested after two-year-old found in luggage](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj3ln1velv0o?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss)** > > A bus driver became concerned when he noticed the luggage moving, police said. > “The driver became concerned when he noticed the bag moving. When the driver opened the suitcase, they discovered the two-year-old girl,” New Zealand Police said a statement. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3289 "2025-08-03T21:10:30Z")
Look, lady, we’ve all wanted to stuff an obnoxious kid in an airplane into the overhead compartment… ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3290 "2025-08-03T21:29:09Z")
To be clear: I think it’s quite likely that it was an attempted honor killing. If so, then the father at least, and likely also the mother, was indeed an evil MFer. But we’re all better off if the system works equally and fairly at all. And the way the system works is that you need very strong evidence before convicting someone. And in this case, apparently, there was not evidence that strong. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3291 "2025-08-03T21:30:27Z")
ETA: @JRDelirious 2 posts up. Here I was thinking she was “cleverly” trying to avoid the truly huge airfare to fly two people from NZ to anywhere. Nope. Just a bus across the North Island. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3292 "2025-08-03T21:33:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But we’re all better off if the system works equally and fairly at all. And the way the system works is that you need very strong evidence before convicting someone. And in this case, apparently, there was not evidence that strong. Agreed. I’m glad at least the dad is facing punishment, as it seems like there should have been enough for _something_. From the local news reports on the case I saw, the jury was very careful in deliberating on both parents. This is an example of the justice system working. I’m glad the jury didn’t use their frustrations about the idea of honor killings (which is a disgusting and absolutely evil practice) to try to get revenge where the evidence didn’t support it. If there should have been evidence and the prosecution or investigators dropped the ball, the blame goes to them. I don’t blame the jury or judge here. And I also don’t **know** that this was an honor killing attempt, or if there was something else going on that led to the attack. I try not to prejudge. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3293 "2025-08-03T21:46:21Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If there should have been evidence and the prosecution or investigators dropped the ball, the blame goes to them. I don’t blame the jury or judge here. One of our attorneys will have to weigh in, but IIRC … During the discovery / evidentiary phase of the pre-trail stuff, the judge evaluates each bit of evidence to be presented by both sides to determine if it’s probative quality outweighs its sensationalism or propensity to mislead. I’m drawing a blank on the term of art, but there is one. So it’s certainly _possible_ the investigators and prosecution found some weak evidence going towards honor killing, which the judge quashed as especially likely to be overweighted or misused by the jury. Motive is not an element of most crimes. But juries _want_ to know and assess the motive. Heck, they want to invent one if they’re not given one. I’ve served on juries doing that. The desire to construct a coherent narrative, then judge the moral, not legal, balance of the constructed narrative, then pronounce guilt or not on that basis is very, very strong. It’s also not what juries are supposed to be doing in there. Especially not when they tend to invent the narrative mostly from whole cloth. Managing that problem is one of the trickier tasks of being a judge running a jury trial. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3294 "2025-08-03T22:42:53Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I’m drawing a blank on the term of art, but there is one. [Rule 403](https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_403) hearing? ---
**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3295 "2025-08-03T22:44:24Z")
I am not aware of any perpetrators of honor killings going unpunished in Canada. Sounds like a bullshit RW talking point. Do you have any cites for this ‘two tiered’ justice system in Canada that somehow favors minorities? People with lots of money are more likely to duck justice here, but nowhere near the extent that takes place in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2025, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3296 "2025-08-03T23:45:52Z")
> [@FluffyBob](#): > > Sounds like a bullshit RW talking point. And not unusual for this poster. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3297 "2025-08-04T01:12:20Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Yes, and I think the jury reached the correct legal conclusion. There wasn’t enough evidence to prove attempted murder. Based purely on the information available here, I don’t know there was an honor killing afoot. It seems there wasn’t much evidence for an honor killing, but it also seems the motive for the attack was precluded by the judge, I assume on grounds that the jury would infer an honor killing attack where there isn’t really evidence to support that claim. But whether or not the motive could be established that the father was trying to kill her for running away from her arranged marriage or spoiling herself with her boyfriend or whatever, I think ample evidence was presented that he was trying to kill her. The defense attorney tried to argue at once point that parents don’t go killing their children by strangulation, as if there’s a proper way to kill your children? And the defense claim that the father was just trying to hold onto his daughter to protect her doesn’t wash. You don’t go protecting your child with a choke hold around their neck. That’s a preposterous “alternative explanation". The video shows a melee? I do see several people trying to punch and kick the father, almost as if they are trying to get him to stop choking his daughter. You know what might start a “melee”? A bunch of people overhearing an argument about trying to ship her off to Iraq for an arranged marriage and then seeing him grab pull her to the ground and start choking her. At least he got assault. Attempted murder should have been possible on the terms of testimony about how lob the choking went on and how determined he was - enduring numerous strikes to his head and body. The girl said she ran away because she was scared, and she was afraid while being choked that he would kill her. You don’t need the honor killing aspect to show intent to kill, and the alternate proposed explanation is utter crap. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3298 "2025-08-04T01:36:38Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1022135/3): > > I’ll add “Unfortunate Islam-Related Neck Compression” to the list of euphemisms. Isn’t that what got Saddam Hussein? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3299 "2025-08-04T20:12:44Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Sure, 75,000,000 didn’t vote for Trump in ‘24 Please use accurate numbers. More like 78 million people did not vote for theFelon, more than voted for him (he has never earned a majority). This does not include the 3 million who did not vote at all (as compared to ‘20), for whichever (insert CT here) reason. By that measure, around 81 million did not vote for theFelon, which would put him under water by more than 8%. /end-of-hijack ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3300 "2025-08-04T21:32:11Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > More like 78 million people did not vote for theFelon, more than voted for him (he has never earned a majority). You are correct, he officially won 49.8% of the vote, and 50.2% voted for someone else. 48.3% of that was for Harris, so there was a 1.9% of votes going to who knows what. (If my math works, I’m tired today.) Trump only won a plurality of the popular vote in 2024, he has never won a majority in any of the elections. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2025, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3301 "2025-08-04T23:27:19Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > At least he got assault. Attempted murder should have been possible on the terms of testimony about how lob the choking went on and how determined he was - enduring numerous strikes to his head and body. FWIW, it’s really hard to prove attempted murder. I was in a trial in MA a few years ago where (a) we all agreed that the defendant was probably trying to kill his wife but (b) we couldn’t convict him of attempted murder because it still didn’t meet the burden of proof in the statute - in MA at least there pretty much has to be some evidence that the defendant meant to kill the victim apart from the fact that he was trying to kill her in that moment - i.e. you need evidence that he had been planning to kill her ahead of time, or threats, or something like that. Luckily we could & did convict him of aggravated assault since he used a weapon when he assaulted her. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/3302 "2025-08-05T00:29:44Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > FWIW, it’s really hard to prove attempted murder. I was in a trial in MA a few years ago where (a) we all agreed that the defendant was probably trying to kill his wife but (b) we couldn’t convict him of attempted murder because it still didn’t meet the burden of proof in the statute - in MA at least there pretty much has to be some evidence that the defendant meant to kill the victim apart from the fact that he was trying to kill her in that moment - i.e. you need evidence that he had been planning to kill her ahead of time, or threats, or something like that. Obviously I’m not a Massachusetts lawyer or judge, but a need for premeditation ahead of time for an attempted murder conviction sounds off, given [the model district court jury instruction](http://mass.gov/lists/criminal-model-jury-instructions-for-use-in-the-district-court) for [attempted crimes](https://www.mass.gov/doc/4120-attempt-gl-c-274-s-6/download). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=164) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=166)