# Omnibus Evil MFers in the news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496 "2023-05-03T11:05:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 207
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2026, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4126 "2026-03-29T15:25:45Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Maryland woman hires Guatemalan comtractors to fix her roof, then calls ICE on them to get out of paying the bill. I’m assuming these were random day laborers and not employees/owners of an actual business, but I’d laugh if it turns out they put a lien on the house before they started the work. Have fun getting that cleared up when you try to sell the house someday (or the shingle manufacturer takes you to court). I have to say, I’m surprised there’s a law that specifically bans this practice, though it does seem like it only comes into play if they’re in the country legally. If they are, in fact, here illegally, she’s probably in the clear, at least WRT reporting them. She could probably have skirted the entire issue by having a neighbor report them or doing it anonymously. An anonymous ‘my neighbor hired a bunch of illegals’ call would make it harder to prove that she orchestrated the whole thing to get a free roof. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2026, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4127 "2026-03-29T15:54:00Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I have to say, I’m surprised there’s a law that specifically bans this practice, though it does seem like it only comes into play if they’re in the country legally. I would be even more surprised if it was enforced. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2026, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4128 "2026-03-29T16:02:03Z")
There’s been two recent cases in Wisconsin: > **[Milwaukee siblings charged with witness intimidation by calling immigration...](https://www.cbs58.com/news/milwaukee-siblings-charged-with-witness-intimidation-by-calling-immigration-officials)** > > MILWAUKEE (CBS 58) -- A Milwaukee family has been charged with intimidation after a man and his two sisters allegedly tried to keep a robbery victim from testifying by threatening to call immigration enforcement > A Milwaukee family has been charged with intimidation after a man and his two sisters allegedly tried to keep a robbery victim from testifying by threatening to call immigration enforcement officers, or ICE. [https://www.courthousenews.com/accused-armed-robber-charged-with-setting-up-victim-to-be-deported-before-trial/](https://www.courthousenews.com/accused-armed-robber-charged-with-setting-up-victim-to-be-deported-before-trial/) > A Milwaukee man was charged with four felonies on Monday for framing an undocumented immigrant for acts of terror in order to prevent him from testifying about an armed robbery. He “sent letters containing threats to President Donald Trump and other law enforcement officers to the Wisconsin Attorney General, the Milwaukee Police Chief and the Milwaukee Immigration and Customs Enforcement field office.” ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2026, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4129 "2026-03-29T20:32:40Z")
> [@](#): > > I’d laugh if it turns out they put a lien on the house before they started the work. While state laws vary, generally you can’t file a lien until work is completed, much less before starting the job. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2026, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4130 "2026-03-29T20:42:48Z")
I wasn’t aware of that, but in this case, the work was completed before she called ICE. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4131 "2026-03-31T18:07:41Z")
Indiana woman is accused of killing her lover after giving him a massage then killing his parents to keep them from getting custody of their kids. > **[Attorney Delayed By Another Trial, Triple Murder Defendant Doesn't Fight...](https://patch.com/illinois/chicagoheights/attorney-delayed-separate-trial-triple-murder-defendant-doesnt-fight-staying)** > > Jenna Strouble, 30, appeared before a Will County judge Tuesday, again without representation. > Jenna Strouble, 30, of St. John, Indiana, is charged with nine counts of first-degree murder in the March 23 shooting deaths of her on-and-off romantic partner Jake Lambert, his mother Stacy Forde, 54, and her husband Patrick Forde, 55, at their home in Crete Township, police said. Strouble and Lambert shared two children, a 3-year-old son and a 4-year-old daughter. > She had purchased a massage gun, she told him, instructing him to recline the seat, take off his shirt and hat, and lie on his stomach. She rubbed his back for 20 minutes, and when he “criticized her technique,” reached under the seat for the Glock handgun stowed there, according to court documents. > > As she massaged him, prosecutors say she pointed the gun at the back of his head for an estimated eight minutes, she told police, at times contemplating setting the gun down and “thinking she would do it another day.” She then shot Lambert in the back of the head, prosecutors say Strouble told police. > She stated she didn’t think the children were safe with their father or any grandparents, according to the filing. Prosecutors say Strouble told police she doesn’t spend time with the children, despite being unemployed, and said she had voluntarily turned them over to Lambert and his parents. > > When asked if she considered killing her own parents, too, prosecutors allege that Strouble said she “had considered it but didn’t think she could go through with it.” > In a letter written the night before the killings, Strouble listed three people she thought would make good guardians of her children, prosecutors said. > > Authorities said the two children were at the St. John home with Strouble and her parents at the time of her arrest. > **[Strouble Back in Will County Court Today](https://wvli927.com/2026/03/31/strouble-back-in-will-county-court-today/)** > > The Indiana woman accused of killing three family members in suburban Crete Township will be back in court tod... > Prosecutors say Strouble shot and killed Lambert, the father of her children, in the back of the head while giving him a massage. She then killed Lambert’s parents because she didn’t want them to have custody of their children. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4132 "2026-03-31T19:01:17Z")
I’m a little confused how they get 9 counts of first degree murder out of three dead people. But other than that, yeah, she takes the cake for individual evil (not government assisted evil) for the week for sure. And it’s only Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4133 "2026-03-31T19:10:20Z")
I was going to suggest sloppy reporting, but WGN news Chicago has the same wording, as does WCSJ radio news. So now my guess is that this is either a technically accurate way to describe the main charges plus lesser or enhancement charges, or the people providing this information to the media are themselves sloppy in expressing what is going on. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4134 "2026-03-31T19:42:14Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I’m a little confused how they get 9 counts of first degree murder out of three dead people. Maybe it’s 3 counts of third degree murder, so they just did some math? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4135 "2026-03-31T19:58:40Z")
Given time she might have killed her parents, and maybe the kids. So 4 more potential bodies. After that I’m out of ideas. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4136 "2026-03-31T20:06:59Z")
From [https://answers.justia.com/question/2025/10/11/why-charge-multiple-counts-for-one-murde-1079141](https://ask%20a%20layer) > [@](#): > > It can seem confusing when someone is charged with multiple counts for the death of a single person, but this often happens because prosecutors charge under different legal theories. Each count may represent a different way the prosecution believes the crime was committed — for example, premeditated murder, felony murder, or depraved indifference murder. Even though there was only one victim, the state may pursue several counts to give the jury options based on the evidence presented. > > This approach allows the prosecution to cover all possible interpretations of the defendant’s actions. For instance, one count might allege intentional killing, while another might argue that the death occurred during another felony, such as robbery or arson. If the jury finds one theory doesn’t fit, they can still convict under another. The judge will later merge any overlapping convictions so that the defendant is punished for only one homicide, even if multiple counts were charged. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4137 "2026-03-31T20:14:53Z")
Yes of course there’s charge stacking, lesser included offenses and all that stuff. Which may make the charge count exceed the body count. But the article asserts 9 counts of first degree murder. For just 3 bodies. All being the same charge, they can’t be various categories of homicide. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4138 "2026-03-31T20:34:06Z")
According to Google, premeditated killing of a particular person and killing someone in the course of committing another felony are both considered “first-degree murder” in many jurisdictions. So that’s two possible theories, but I don’t see any other possibilities. If they’re saying it might not have been premeditated, that should be second-degree. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4139 "2026-03-31T20:51:43Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > killing someone in the course of committing another felony are both considered “first-degree murder” Interesting. Which suggests an enterprising prosecutor in those jurisdictions could charge somebody who killed _n_ people with n2 counts of murder 1. IOW … - You are charged with premeditatedly killing person A, and in the course of that killing, also killing persons B & C. So 3 counts. - You are also charged with premeditatedly killing person B, and in the course of that killing, also killing persons A & C. So 3 more counts totalling 6. - You are also charged with premeditatedly killing person C, and in the course of that killing, also killing persons A & B. So 3 more counts totalling 9. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4140 "2026-03-31T21:01:52Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Maybe it’s 3 counts of third degree murder, so they just did some math? Then it would have been 27 counts. 3^3. Duh! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4141 "2026-03-31T21:10:21Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Then it would have been 27 counts. 3^3. Duh! No, see, 3 counts at 3 degrees is the same as 9 counts at 1 degree, because 3x3=9x1. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2026, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4142 "2026-03-31T21:17:36Z")
I was told there would be no math. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2026, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4143 "2026-04-01T03:33:07Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > just 3 bodies. There are words in the English language that never belong together. I am against the death penalty but there are cases that come along where I question, “Even this one?” This is one of them and I’m going to have to mull it over a while. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2026, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4144 "2026-04-01T05:32:50Z")
A 26-year-old man in Seattle has been arrested after attempting to push a stranger in front of an oncoming train. > **[Man charged after allegedly trying to push stranger in front of train at...](https://komonews.com/news/local/man-charged-after-allegedly-trying-to-push-stranger-in-front-of-train-at-northgate-station-link-public-transit-safety-victim-passenger-attack-assault-treatment-facility-seattle)** > > A 26-year-old man has been charged with attempted second-degree murder after prosecutors say he tried to push a stranger in front of an oncoming light rail trai ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2026, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4145 "2026-04-01T13:54:19Z")
> Court records indicate Melendez has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and has a documented history of mental health treatment. The act was evil, but is the man? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=206) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=208)