# Omnibus Evil MFers in the news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496 "2023-05-03T11:05:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 236
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2026, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4706 "2026-08-12T21:13:59Z")
**ACTON, Mass. —** “A Massachusetts teenager who was located after an overnight search is accused of killing his mother and younger brother, according to Middlesex County District Attorney Marian Ryan.” “Ryan said the teenager had previously been using the internet and ChatGPT to explore “gothic novel” stories about the deaths of his family.” > **[Teen accused of killing his mother, younger brother used AI to explore dark...](https://www.wmtw.com/article/acton-massachusetts-teen-kills-mom-brother-ai-gothic-novel/73416246)** > > A Massachusetts teenager who was located after an overnight search is accused of killing his mother and younger brother. The district attorney said the 17-year-old suspect had previously been using the internet and ChatGPT to explore "gothic novel"... ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2026, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4707 "2026-08-12T23:04:50Z")
That’s it exactly. Minors are minors, whether they are 17 years old, or 17 days old. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2026, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4708 "2026-08-12T23:06:50Z")
Not the first time they’ve had a mass murder in Winfield. Scroll down, not very far, to “History - 20th Century.” > **[Winfield, Kansas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winfield,_Kansas)** > > Winfield is a city in and the county seat of Cowley County, Kansas, United States. It is situated along the Walnut River in south central Kansas. As of the 2020 census, the population of the city was 11,777. It is home to Southwestern College. Winfield was founded in 1870. It was named for Rev. Winfield Scott, who promised to build the town a church in exchange for the naming rights. The first post office at Winfield was established in May 1870. In 1873, Winfield incorporated as a city. Ra... ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4709 "2026-08-13T00:33:13Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > They do not. 17 is the legal age of consent in Colorado. The sex was perfectly legal. For that matter, there are only 14 states in the US where 18 is the age of consent - but one of them is California, where most mass media is produced, so people tend to believe that that’s the rule everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4710 "2026-08-13T00:40:30Z")
I think in many of the states with an age of consent of less than eighteen, the age of the other person is a consideration, in particular how different the two ages are. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4711 "2026-08-13T06:03:06Z")
So what are you actually trying to say? That the woman was, or was not, a minor under relevant law? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4712 "2026-08-13T07:31:04Z")
Minors are not minors at 17 years old if a 17-year-old is not a minor. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4713 "2026-08-13T07:40:23Z")
Depends on the context. For the purposes of filming sexual content and distributing that film, 17 is still considered a minor. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4714 "2026-08-13T07:40:40Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Minors are not minors at 17 years old if a 17-year-old is not a minor. Yeah, but age of consent is not actually age of majority. In Colorado age 17 is the age of consent. But under a different law under 18 is treated as a minor as it pertains to recording sexual activity. Legal to engage in sexual activity, illegal to record said sexual activity or posses or distribute said recording. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4715 "2026-08-13T07:46:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Depends on the context. I’m speaking of the context of this conversation, where the person in question is old enough to be legal. > [@Tamerlane](#): > > Yeah, but age of consent is not actually age of majority. In Colorado age 17 is the age of consent. But under a different law under 18 is treated as a minor as it pertains to recording sexual activity. Yes, and depending on circumstances, 18 is the age of majority in most (but not all) states in the US, yet for alcohol and nicotine consumption 21 is the age of majority (or legal minimum age, at least). I’m talking about a particular circumstance that NWH seems oblivious to. The state I live in, 16 is the age of consent. (Though that raises to 18 if it is determined that the older person is in some position of authority over the younger person.) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4716 "2026-08-13T07:51:04Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’m speaking of the context of this conversation, where the person in question is old enough to be legal. That _is_ the context of this conversation. It is legal in Colorado for Boebert to have had sex with this woman. But dissemination of a recording of that sex is illegal. Both of those distinctions are related to her being 17. > [@Atamasama](#): > > Yes, and depending on circumstances, 18 is the age of majority in most (but not all) states in the US, yet for alcohol and nicotine consumption 21 is the age of majority (or legal minimum age, at least). “Legal minimum age” and “age of majority” are not the same thing. You’re not still a minor at 21 just because you can’t rent a car or run for president. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4717 "2026-08-13T07:55:30Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > "Legal minimum age” and “age of majority” are not the same thing. You’re correct, and what I really should have said is that whether the person is a minor is irrelevant to this situation. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4718 "2026-08-13T15:45:02Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > But dissemination of a recording of that sex is illegal. Both of those distinctions are related to her being 17. I believe it is still illegal even if she were 18+. Or, is it legal to secretly record yourself having sex with an adult and then share that video with others without her consent? As I said before, I think there are two crimes: Child pornography along with whatever secretly videoing sex and then distributing is called. Being a douchebag? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4719 "2026-08-13T16:17:49Z")
I dunno but it gets a little murkier, whereas “Sex tapes of under 18s are considered child pornography” is a pretty hard line. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4720 "2026-08-13T16:30:35Z")
I suspect that, in most states, filming someone having sex and distributing it without their permission is a crime (regardless of whether you’re the person they’re having sex with). But in all states, filming a minor having sex and distributing it are both crimes, and very serious ones. So there are at least two and probably three crimes Boebert is accused of. The fact that there is not a fourth crime from the sex itself, due to age of consent, is mostly irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4721 "2026-08-13T16:58:14Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Or, is it legal to secretly record yourself having sex with an adult and then share that video with others without her consent? I’ve seen no indication or claim that it was secretly recorded. Under other circumstances I’d even argue these charges are a bit of a farce even if technically entirely correct. She was apparently three weeks from her 18th birthday at the time, which is close enough to 18 for me to truly, truly not give a shit about them recording a sex video together (assuming that is what happened and he didn’t secretly record her). They were just under a year apart in age and she was close enough to 18 for government work IMHO. The reason I don’t give a shit about the little weasel being prosecuted is exactly his sharing of this video, which is dirtbag behavior. Even then if it somehow came out that he asked for her permission and she gave it, which to be clear I think is incredibly unlikely, I think he’d only be guilty in a non-by-the-book sense of being terminally stupid. Well, that and also the elephant in the room of contributing to the continued existence of a site that is illegal on the face of it and also being a presumed consumer of said videos, which I’m sure is also 100% illegal. His video might be skirting the edge, I’m sure there were other ones there that were considerably less gray. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2026, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4722 "2026-08-13T17:14:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But in all states, filming a minor having sex and distributing it are both crimes, and very serious ones. Again, don’t conflate being a minor with having the age of consent. It’s the latter that matters. In the state of Mississippi, you are a minor until you are 21, but I doubt that filming a 20-year-old having sex is criminal there. (The age of consent in Mississippi is 16, so that’s a huge 5 year difference.) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2026, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4723 "2026-08-14T00:14:05Z")
In 2005, Hugh Hefner informed the FBI that one of the Playboy Playmates had been trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein for a decade. The FBI didn’t follow up on the tip for 15 years. > **[Hugh Hefner tried to warn the FBI about Epstein — new docs show they ignored him](https://www.rawstory.com/hugh-hefner-jeffrey-epstein/)** > > Playboy founder Hugh Hefner notified the FBI of Jeffrey Epstein and reported that a Playmate was sexually abused and trafficked by the late financier, according to new court documents reported this week.The FBI reportedly ignored several of Hefner's... ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2026, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4724 "2026-08-14T00:47:38Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Again, don’t conflate being a minor with having the age of consent. It’s the latter that matters. That’s exactly what I’m not doing. > [@Atamasama](#): > > In the state of Mississippi, you are a minor until you are 21, but I doubt that filming a 20-year-old having sex is criminal there. That’s how “minor” is defined for most purposes in Mississippi. For some laws, the definition is different. Including laws concerning child pornography. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2026, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4725 "2026-08-14T01:00:28Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That’s how “minor” is defined for most purposes in Mississippi. For some laws, the definition is different. Including laws concerning child pornography. Interestingly, the age of majority for that law **is** 18. I assume this is the current law, as it was passed only 2 years ago. [https://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/documents/2024/html/HB/1300-1399/HB1363PS.htm](https://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/documents/2024/html/HB/1300-1399/HB1363PS.htm) > “Minor” means any person under the age of eighteen (18) years. But the age of **consent** in Mississippi is 16, assuming this is accurate. > **[Legal Age of Consent in Mississippi | World Law Digest](https://www.worldlawdigest.com/legal-age/consent/mississippi)** > > The legal age of consent in Mississippi is 16, with strict enforcement and limited exceptions for close-in-age relationships. Yet you are not considered an adult legally in most cases until 21. > **[Legal Age of Majority in Mississippi | World Law Digest](https://www.worldlawdigest.com/legal-age/majority/mississippi)** > > The legal age of majority in Mississippi is 21, with specific rights and restrictions applying at this age. So it’s all over the place. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=235) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=237)