# Omnibus Evil MFers in the news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496 "2023-05-03T11:05:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 239
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4766 "2026-09-11T16:00:13Z")
The article describes the assault. > According to Northampton County District Attorney Stephen Baratta, nurse Octavia Robinson allegedly stuck her fingers down the woman’s throat, stuffed towels and clothing into her mouth, and repeatedly hit her in the back. The victim’s two roommates tried for over 30 minutes to get help from staff and law enforcement. > > “There was blood on the patient, there was blood on the bedding, and there were discarded clothing or towels with blood around the bed,” Baratta said. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4767 "2026-09-11T16:03:59Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Why the fuck should it take more than a half hour to get a response from anyone else in a facility? I’m hoping the inevitable lawsuit covers that question. That is explained in the [grand jury report](https://www.mcall.com/2026/09/10/gracedale-nursing-home-grand-jury-report/). > The Upper Nazareth Township Police Department, the report found, was accustomed to receiving calls from Gracedale for false or imagined complaints made by residents with access to cellphones, and officers were allowed to judge the reliability of complaints on an individual basis. This led to skeptical officers disregarding the call. Operators at the county 911 center also did not inform Gracedale staff of the calls until around 3:20 a.m. > > However, the report said, a nursing supervisor at Gracedale also did not take the incident seriously, and told an operator that she was going to go up to the room and confiscate the phone. BTW, [the nurse was only facing misdemeanor charges](https://www.mcall.com/2025/07/03/gracedale-nurse-charged/). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4768 "2026-09-11T16:24:05Z")
Thanks for that info. I sort of get where the police are coming from, and they might be in a tough position where if they get enough false reports that they just literally can’t respond to every single one. And you probably can’t charge someone with memory issues for calling in a false police report if the person calling can’t be considered legally competent for their actions. Last week, when I was staying with my in-laws, my wife’s grandmother kept calling my father-in-law (her son) to complain about a pain in her side which is a chronic condition, but with her memory issues she literally doesn’t remember that she has it and keeps thinking it is an urgent matter requiring an emergency room. He finally got tired after the 10th call in an hour and drove her to the ER, where they did test and found absolutely nothing new or actionable, and by the time the tests were done she said she was fine. What do you do with that? Dealing with the elderly can be very challenging. The nursing supervisor though, that’s less defensible. Especially if you have 2 people calling about a third person in trouble. And I also think the police were negligent in not at least informing the facility of the calls until late. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > BTW, [the nurse was only facing misdemeanor charges](https://www.mcall.com/2025/07/03/gracedale-nurse-charged/). This seems pretty light to me. I did a little digging on the potential consequences in New Jersey for “abuse of a care-dependent person” and according to what I found, that could be 3-5 years. But a misdemeanor, at most, is 6 months in jail if she serves any time at all. And charging it as simple assault also seems pretty light to me. I wonder if prosecutors are concerned about factors like the woman potentially having mental health problems, and believing that she was “helping” the victim, they couldn’t get a jury to convict on anything stronger. I can only speculate. Also, apparently the nurse wasn’t employed by the facility directly, but was hired on from another agency (likely a temp agency) and had only started work 12 days earlier. So they might not have known much about her. Still, I imagine the facility could be liable for endangering a patient (they absolutely should be). ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4769 "2026-09-11T16:41:01Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > This seems pretty light to me. I did a little digging on the potential consequences in New Jersey for “abuse of a care-dependent person” and according to what I found, that could be 3-5 years. Fine, but the nursing home in question was in Nazareth, Northampton County, Pennsylvania. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4770 "2026-09-11T16:42:38Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Fine, but the nursing home in question was in Nazareth, Northampton County, Pennsylvania. I was going to say, what the fuck made me stupid enough to think it was in New Jersey? Then I went back and re-read the articles, and saw that the perpetrator was _from_ New Jersey. Okay, then I was just lazy, which is probably worse than stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4771 "2026-09-11T16:44:43Z")
No idea why she’s not facing felony charges. At the very least, allow the patient’s family to perform a similar exorcism _on her_. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4772 "2026-09-11T19:18:02Z")
A woman named Lindsay Jackson from San Jose, California was arrested today on multiple counts and multiple charges including stalking and hate crimes. Her MO was to go after anyone who did not appear to be purely white who was in the company of children who were white and accuse the adult of trafficking the children. She would drive by people on the street who met that description and stop to accuse them; she would track people to their homes and accuse them; she also invaded child care facilities and libraries (much of this is not established fact yet, but there are numerous complaints, and videos of her online). Here is one video from the site that apparently was the first to track her down. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/cy9E-3Fk0JU/maxresdefault.jpg "UPDATE: found her and it's much worse than we thought. ") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy9E-3Fk0JU&t=2s) ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4773 "2026-09-11T19:20:03Z")
I should add that she apparently feels that she is on a mission from God, and that God has told her who is trafficking children. So prepare for counter-charges back from her about her freedom of religion. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4774 "2026-09-11T20:26:46Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > A woman named Lindsay Jackson from San Jose, California was arrested today on multiple counts and multiple charges including stalking and hate crimes. It’s interesting that I can find a Facebook post about this purporting to be from a news station (“KTVU Fox 2”) but not an actual news article. Ah… Because her name isn’t Lindsay Jackson, that is just her social media handle. Her actual name is Lindsay **Hansen**. Searching under her real name led me here: [**KRON 4:**'Karen’ caught on camera accusing father of trafficking daughter because they had different skin tones arrested](https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/san-jose-karen-caught-on-camera-accusing-father-of-trafficking-his-daughter-because-they-had-different-skin-tones/) Weirdly enough, that article doesn’t even mention her name at all (either social media handle or legal name). ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2026, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4775 "2026-09-12T06:43:13Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > And another popular rapper: > > [https://apnews.com/article/lil-durk-florida-indicted-los-angeles-5d55866b2caf5ef5bd7d3cef43b6ced8](https://apnews.com/article/lil-durk-florida-indicted-los-angeles-5d55866b2caf5ef5bd7d3cef43b6ced8) He got off: **Rapper Lil Durk acquitted of murder-for-hire at Los Angeles trial** [https://apnews.com/article/lil-durk-trial-not-guilty-3166e39855cee7b3f3d04bdae8498ccf](https://apnews.com/article/lil-durk-trial-not-guilty-3166e39855cee7b3f3d04bdae8498ccf) ---
**Author:** ![Xocomil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xocomil/32/14927_2.png) [@Xocomil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xocomil)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2026, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4776 "2026-09-13T02:38:51Z")
My reading of the charges is that in Tennessee, child abuse or neglect that results in the child’s death is first degree murder. Full stop. Judge for yourself, > (a) First degree murder is: > > (1) A premeditated and intentional killing of another; > > (2) A killing of another committed in the perpetration of or attempt to perpetrate any first degree murder, arson, robbery, burglary, theft, kidnapping, aggravated abuse of an elderly or vulnerable adult in violation of § 39-15-511, aggravated neglect of an elderly or vulnerable adult in violation of § 39-15-508, aggravated child abuse, aggravated child neglect, or aircraft piracy I do think it boils down to either it was, as they say, a tragic accident or it was first degree murder with no in between. That’s just my reading. I’m genuinely curious about your or @LSLGuy’s interpretation of the same statute. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2026, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4777 "2026-09-13T16:16:17Z")
To say anything useful about that first degree murder statute in connection w the child drowning, we’d need to first consult the statute that defines “aggravated child abuse” and the one that defines “aggravated child neglect”. But yeah, if the conduct fit either of those aggravated child abuse / neglect statutes then by definition that’s also murder 1. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2026, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4778 "2026-09-13T17:12:19Z")
Florida woman. > **[Woman allegedly set stranger on fire at gas station after they refused to...](https://local12.com/news/nation-world/woman-set-stranger-fire-gas-station-after-they-refused-give-money-police-eleanor-crawford-st-petersburg-florida-pineallas-county-arson-attempted-murder-crime-news)** > > Eleanor Crawford is charged with arson and attempted murder. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2026, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4779 "2026-09-13T17:21:26Z")
> Police say the suspect and victim did not know each other, and the motive for the attack remains unclear. Looking at her face, I’m gonna say meth. My brother would get those kinds of sores when he was on it. > **[What Do Meth Sores Look Like? - Recovery Services of Connecticut](https://recoveryservicesct.com/what-do-meth-sores-look-like/)** > > Methamphetamine, commonly known as meth, is a powerful stimulant that affects the central nervous system. Its use not only leads to severe physical and psychological effects, including skin sores, but also significantly increases the risk of meth... > Meth sores, or lesions, typically appear as red, inflamed patches on the skin. They can also be crusty and may ooze. These sores often result from skin picking, a common compulsive behavior among meth users due to the sensation of bugs known as “[crank bugs](https://www.cnb.gov.sg/docs/default-source/collateral-documents/article-meth_bugs-all-over-your-body(priandsecteens).pdf?sfvrsn=333b6339_2)” crawling under their skin. ---
**Author:** ![Xocomil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xocomil/32/14927_2.png) [@Xocomil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xocomil)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2026, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4780 "2026-09-14T03:32:18Z")
The aggravated aspect of it is pretty simple: > (a) A person commits the offense of aggravated child abuse, aggravated child neglect or aggravated child endangerment, who commits child abuse, as defined in § 39-15-401(a); child neglect, as defined in § 39-15-401(b); or child endangerment, as defined in § 39-15-401(c) and: > > (1) The act of abuse, neglect or endangerment results in serious bodily injury to the child; I mean, not to be flippant, but the kid died. I think it easily meets the standard of serious bodily injury. The question really comes down to: > (a) Any person who knowingly, other than by accidental means, treats a child under eighteen (18) years of age in such a manner as to inflict injury commits a Class E felony; provided, however, that, if the abused child is eight (8) years of age or less, the penalty is a Class D felony. > > (b) Any person who knowingly abuses or neglects a child under eighteen (18) years of age, so as to adversely affect the child’s health and welfare, commits a Class A misdemeanor; provided, that, if the abused or neglected child is eight (8) years of age or less, the penalty is a Class E felony. It doesn’t look good for this dude. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2026, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4781 "2026-09-14T14:47:42Z")
Assuming “knowingly” and also not “other than by accidental means”. I haven’t read every article on the case, so as I said upthread, I don’t know if those apply. Has anyone here read anything w those details? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2026, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4782 "2026-09-14T17:57:03Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Assuming “knowingly” and also not “other than by accidental means”. But you can **knowingly** neglect a child in a way that leads to a preventable accident, meaning that those two elements are not in opposition to each other. It’s like when a person chooses to drive intoxicated and kills someone in a car accident. They didn’t intentionally cause a collision, but they did intentionally cause the situation that led to the accident. The law often treats it the same way, or at least gives a greater deal of liability to a person who unintentionally causes harm through intentional negligence. ---
**Author:** ![Xocomil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xocomil/32/14927_2.png) [@Xocomil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xocomil)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4783 "2026-09-15T03:47:13Z")
He let the kids go unaccompanied to a pool a fifth of a mile from the apartment. Even if one of the kids could text him that there was trouble, it would take him at least a minute to get there. I can’t imagine any of us would feel at all comfortable letting kids we were watching do that. I suppose he could say that he didn’t know how far the pool was or that he thought there would be other people there. Regardless, we can agree that what he did is shockingly irresponsible if not criminally so. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4784 "2026-09-15T03:52:35Z")
Fake drugs including cancer meds were supplied to over 90 hospitals and clinics in a region of India. They were heavily discounted, so apparently it looked like a great deal to the buyers. > **[Fake cancer drugs sold at 50% discount, 90+ Bengaluru hospitals under scanner](https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/story/fake-cancer-drugs-sold-at-50-discount-more-than-90-bengaluru-hospitals-under-scanner-2993973-2026-09-14)** > > A Bengaluru probe into suspected counterfeit medicines has widened after raids linked the supply chain to hospitals and clinics across the city. Investigators are now tracing records, interstate links and recipients as they assess the scale of the... ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4785 "2026-09-15T04:06:48Z")
[Manson family member dies in prison.](https://www.aol.com/articles/one-charles-manson-cult-followers-193106000.html) > [@](#): > > Bruce Davis, a former follower of[cult leader Charles Manson](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/charles-manson) who was convicted of two murders more than half a century ago, has died while serving a life sentence, according to officials. > > Davis died on Friday at the California Medical Facility in Vacaville, as reported by the Solano County coroner’s office to\*[ABC News](https://abc7.com/post/bruce-davis-ex-charles-manson-follower-was-repeatedly-denied-parole-dies-authorities-say/19830639/)\*. > > Born Bruce McGregor Davis in Monroe, Louisiana, he was 83 years old. After spending more than a year in hiding, he had voluntarily surrendered to Los Angeles police on December 2, 1970. > > Davis had been denied parole numerous times over the decades, according to state officials. State parole boards had recommended him for release seven different times, though Governors Gavin Newsom, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jerry Brown consistently rejected those recommendations. While incarcerated, Davis earned a college degree and became an ordained prison minister with a clean disciplinary record. > > Davis was convicted in 1972 on two counts of first-degree murder, conspiracy and robbery for his role in the 1969 killings of musician Gary Hinman and stuntman Donald “Shorty” Shea. During a 2014 parole hearing, Davis admitted to holding a firearm while Manson attacked Hinman with a sword and cutting Shea with a knife. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=238) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=240)