# Omnibus Evil MFers in the news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496 "2023-05-03T11:05:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 240
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4786 "2026-09-15T04:16:38Z")
A parent who lost her child is harassed by antivaxers. > **[Grieving mother says she was harassed by supporters of Ottawa police Det....](https://ottawacitizen.com/news/grieving-mother-says-harassed-by-supporters)** > > Grus was found guilty of discreditable conduct and demoted for two years, after a disciplinary trial for improperly accessing police files. It’s far from the first time. > **[Her son died. And then anti-vaxers attacked her | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/health/anti-vax-harassment-eprise)** > > Many parents that have lost a child to the flu or other vaccine-preventable cause find themselves the target of hateful attacks on social media and by phone – all while they still grieve their loss. > **[A father whose 6-year-old son died was flooded with anti-vaxxer harassment....](https://www.businessinsider.com/father-lost-his-son-harassed-online-by-anti-vaxxers-atlantic-2023-3)** > > Billy Ball was mocked online about the death of his son. Facebook and Twitter often took no action when they were reported, he said. [https://www.news.com.au/national/grieving-mother-toni-mccaffery-was-vilified-by-antivaccination-bullies/news-story/4ba9c16a584f2ec20406e3c540820414](https://www.news.com.au/national/grieving-mother-toni-mccaffery-was-vilified-by-antivaccination-bullies/news-story/4ba9c16a584f2ec20406e3c540820414) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4787 "2026-09-15T12:15:10Z")
I agree that’s a level of negligence that’s way out there. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4788 "2026-09-15T21:32:24Z")
[PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pasttense)[Guest](https://boards.straightdope.com/g/Registered) [Feb 20](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/2416 "Post date") > **[No medical evidence to support Lucy Letby’s conviction, expert panel says](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/04/no-medical-evidence-to-support-lucy-letby-conviction-expert-panel-finds)** > > Letby’s lawyer claims report demolishes case against her and provides ‘overwhelming evidence’ her conviction is unsafe But now: > **[Ministers vow sweeping NHS changes after ‘devastating’ report on Lucy Letby...](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/sep/15/three-babies-may-have-survived-if-hospital-had-acted-over-lucy-letby-concerns-inquiry-finds)** > > Lady Justice Thirlwall’s report concludes three babies might have survived if hospital had acted on concerns about nurse Some lengthy government reports are now available: > **[The Report | The Thirlwall Inquiry](https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/the-report/)** > > Examining the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital and their implications following the trial, and subsequent convictions, of former neonatal nurse Lucy Letby of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2026, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4789 "2026-09-15T22:33:57Z")
> Lady Justice Thirlwall That totally sounds like a superhero name. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4790 "2026-09-16T02:00:53Z")
And _Lucy Letby_ totally sounds like a villain’s name ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4791 "2026-09-16T19:11:21Z")
Texas police arrested a man for (accurately) posting on Facebook that the town water supply was tainted, then arrested another man who protested the arrest. The state has now ordered the department to disband after determining that their existence provides no benefit to the community. > **[Texas police department ordered closed for failing to provide any benefit to...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/sep/15/trinidad-texas-police-department-disbanded)** > > Disbanding of department in Trinidad comes after arrest of a resident for posting about issues with local water supply ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4792 "2026-09-16T20:02:26Z")
I am amazed the Texas state authorities would close any police department. Totally out of character for Fascists. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4793 "2026-09-16T20:12:19Z")
After reading the entire article, this police department was waaaaaay out of compliance and (in this case) generating slam-dunk lawsuits against the city in question for their actions. IE, Texas state authorities under-bussed the police department and former chief. So, no shocking moment of virtue, just a calculating cutting of losses. I’m not sure if it makes it feel better or worse TBH. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4794 "2026-09-16T21:22:20Z")
It means the administrative oversight did what it would be expected to do: “worse than useless and only creates more trouble? shut it down.” Value neutral. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4795 "2026-09-17T02:04:16Z")
> [@](#): > > The inquiry chair accused hospital executives of overseeing “an exercise in spin” by downplaying the rise in deaths to the board of directors. Their failure to contact police before April 2017 – nearly two years after the unexplained increase in (infant) deaths – suggested that protecting the hospital’s reputation was “prized more highly” than the doctors’ concerns, she found. That sounds like what happened repeatedly in the U.S., when hospital officials faced evidence that patients were being harmed and killed by caregivers like Charles Cullen and Genene Jones (nurses) and Michael Swango (doctor). The reflex action was to avoid scandal and potential lawsuits, while dodging criminal investigation and allowing serial killers to keep on killing. Meanwhile, it looks like some of Lucy Letby’s hired experts now have doubts about her defense team’s tactics. > **[Experts quit Lucy Letby’s defence team over ‘scientific credibility’ as...](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/sep/14/experts-quit-lucy-letby-defence-team-scientific-credibility-concerns)** > > Some arguments used to challenge convictions are inconsistent with ‘available evidence, science and established physiology’, say two scientists ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4796 "2026-09-17T16:54:04Z")
> **[Hasan Piker on "The Axios Show": America worse than al-Qaeda "pound for pound"](https://www.axios.com/2026/09/17/hasan-piker-axios-show-terrorism-america)** > > The Twitch streamer is central to GOP attacks on Democrat Abdul El-Sayed in the Michigan Senate race. 🤦‍♂️ 🤦 🤦‍♀️ Is it possible that he just doesn’t know what the expression “pound for pound” means? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4797 "2026-09-17T17:48:19Z")
Is he saying Americans are fatter than Al-Qaeda? Because duh. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4798 "2026-09-17T17:55:51Z")
Maybe he means that we’ve killed more innocent people. How many native Americans did there used to be? Just to pick one group of people out of the many groups of innocent people that we’ve killed. I don’t know, I didn’t click the link. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4799 "2026-09-17T18:05:52Z")
Not in published order, > Piker’s comments to Axios came in response to a question about his previous statement that “America is the top dog in terrorism.” > “Pound for pound as far as the number of deaths, yes,” Piker said in an exclusive interview for a new episode of “The Axios Show.” Piker added: “We have caused tremendous terror all around the world.” > “If you’re killing 140 schoolgirls, that is an act of terror,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4800 "2026-09-17T18:09:30Z")
Hard to say that he’s wrong about that, then. (No, GWB, they don’t hate us for our freedom.) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4801 "2026-09-17T20:27:13Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > No, GWB, they don’t hate us for our freedom I don’t know what you mean by “they”, but Bin Laden certainly did. His list of complaints were basically: 1. The US put infidel troops on the Arabian Peninsula’s holy soil when defending Qatar against Saddam 2. The US doesn’t stone gays 3. Bill Clinton got a blowjob I know it’s trendy to quote his “Letter to America” on TikTok, but you really _don’t_ have to defend people like him. _Or_ like Piker. > [@bobot](#): > > Hard to say that he’s wrong about that, then. So you don’t know what “pound for pound” means either? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4802 "2026-09-17T20:29:08Z")
I recall GWB speaking of terrorists in general and claiming that they hated us for our freedom. Clearly bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4803 "2026-09-17T21:53:26Z")
I’m going to be the lone voice crying out in the wilderness here, but I don’t care: countries can’t be terrorists. Terrorism doesn’t mean “bad person”; it has a has a very specific meaning, that of non-state actors targeting civilians. America’s actions, not matter how awful, are not terrorism. Israel’s actions, no matter how terrible, are not terrorism. Iran’s actions, no matter how terrible, are not terrorism. _Nazi Germany’s_ actions, despite being more terrible than those of any terrorists… weren’t terrorism (at least, not after 1933). OK? If you want to describe atrocities committed by the country of your choice, choose a better word. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2026, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4804 "2026-09-18T02:44:39Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Terrorism doesn’t mean “bad person”; it has a has a very specific meaning, that of non-state actors targeting civilians. You are factually incorrect. > **[Terrorism - Political, Religious, Cyber | Britannica](https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism/Types-of-terrorism)** > > Terrorism - Political, Religious, Cyber: Various attempts have been made to distinguish among types of terrorist activities. It is vital to bear in mind, however, that there are many kinds of terrorist movements, and no single theory can cover them... > Establishment terrorism, often called state or state-sponsored terrorism, is employed by governments—or more often by factions within governments—against that government’s citizens, against factions within the government, or against foreign governments or groups. Note that there is no internationally-recognized definition of “terrorism”, and some authorities agree with your viewpoint, but others don’t. Declaring that it has a clear and accepted definition that fits your viewpoint is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2026, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/4805 "2026-09-18T12:27:26Z")
Pound for pound, Piker’s being associated with El-Sayed’s Senate campaign is almost as bad news as an endorsement from Iran’s Mojtaba Khamenei would be. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=239) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=241)