# Omnibus Evil MFers in the news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496 "2023-05-03T11:05:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/641 "2024-02-14T01:25:39Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > But if baby roaster deserves sympathy for their mental pathology so does school shooter. That is my only point. ISTM the point, or at least what I saw as the point when I made that remark, is whether the person in question was outright delusional and literally did not know what they were doing. Not whether they had some other kind of mental pathology that made them more receptive to consciously choosing evil courses of action. Postpartum-psychosis infanticide is, unfortunately, [a well-known phenomenon,](https://www.motherjones.com/criminal-justice/2020/02/postpartum-psychosis-depression-infanticide/) often committed by mothers who love their children dearly and are devastated by their deaths. If you are psychotically delusional to the extent that you literally believe you’re putting your baby down for a nap in its crib rather than putting it in the oven, then you are unquestionably massively fucked up in your head, but I really have a hard time calling that “evil”. That, ISTM, is significantly different from saying “oh, that poor school shooter wasn’t evil, they were just depressed.” No, if you understand that you’re committing murder and you do it anyway, that’s an evil act, no matter how depressed you may be. If, on the other hand, you’re psychotically delusional to the extent that you literally believe you’re washing a car or something rather than shooting people, that’s another matter. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/642 "2024-02-14T01:47:23Z")
My first wife had postpartum depression. She had trouble dealing with being a mom and had trouble feeling a connection with our daughter. It was heartbreaking to see and she got better with time, and I did all I could to be supportive and be a total partner in taking care of our daughter. It happens because mothers go through a shit ton of chemical stuff during pregnancy. The physical changes are brought on by hormones that do all kinds of wacky stuff to the body and brain. My second wife also had changes though they were more physical than mental (like having diabetes solely during the pregnancy that went away afterwards). Of course none of that approaches the level of a psychosis that causes a person to lose reality but seeing some extreme changes firsthand as the result of pregnancy I believe it. Now from what I read, if PPP is going to occur it usually starts within 2 weeks of giving birth and won’t last past 4. If the baby was a full month of age I am guessing that this isn’t what happened here. But who knows how much of any of this reporting is accurate. Maybe the baby was younger. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/643 "2024-02-14T01:49:30Z")
Key word there is “usually.” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/644 "2024-02-14T01:59:00Z")
It’s also _extremely_ rare, somewhere between 1-2 out of every 1,000 women giving birth will experience it. That combined with the timing makes it extremely unlikely that this is the case. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/645 "2024-02-14T02:11:34Z")
According to Google there were 3.6 million babies born in the US last year. 1 in a thousand would make it unusual, but not rare. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/646 "2024-02-14T02:15:08Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > 1 in a thousand would make it unusual, but not rare. Just citing the medical literature, not my personal opinion. Plus I’m not a medical professional. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/647 "2024-02-14T02:16:52Z")
You are correct; In the US a disease is considered rare if it affects 60 or fewer people out of 100,000. In the European union the standard is 50 or fewer out of 100,000. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/648 "2024-02-14T02:18:52Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Just citing the medical literature, not my personal opinion. Google ain’t medical literature. ;-D ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/649 "2024-02-14T02:20:03Z")
And I’m not a medical professional. I just figured that 3600 cases in the US last year is quite a lot. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/650 "2024-02-14T02:22:06Z")
10 per day would make the news a bit more often than it seems to. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/651 "2024-02-14T02:30:06Z")
I imagine that most cases of postpartum psychosis don’t lead to the baby getting killed. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/652 "2024-02-14T03:02:02Z")
Very true, but it is considered an emergency condition, typically requiring immediate hospitalization and oversight to protect mother and child. What is the percentage of mothers who are quickly diagnosed and given the proper care? I have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/653 "2024-02-14T03:26:28Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Google ain’t medical literature. I was going by this mostly: > **[Recognizing and Managing Postpartum Psychosis: A Clinical Guide for Obstetric...](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6174883/)** ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/654 "2024-02-14T04:39:16Z")
Anyway, you people are nice. I sideswiped a perfectly good rant thread about people who do evil shit, to mention some tentative potential objections concerning an apparent murderer who might have had an absolutely horrible and tragic level of diminished capacity rather than evilness, and y’all immediately start thinking seriously about that issue and looking up medical sources and all. Cockles warmed. (Of course, I know at least part of it is due just to the notorious inability of Dopers to resist any even slightly intriguing-looking rabbit hole, but still. 🙂 ) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/655 "2024-02-14T19:23:12Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > the notorious inability of Dopers to resist any even slightly intriguing-looking rabbit hole, One of the best attributes of the Dope. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/656 "2024-02-14T22:21:33Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Cockles warmed. (Of course, I know at least part of it is due just to the notorious inability of Dopers to resist any even slightly intriguing-looking rabbit hole, but still. Just so you don’t get too comfy in the Pit-your “your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries!” ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/657 "2024-02-14T22:25:56Z")
I fart in your general direction! (Is that on script? I know nothing about Monty Python except what Pythonist friends constantly quote.) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/658 "2024-02-14T22:31:21Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/M9DCAFUerzs/maxresdefault.jpg "Monty Python - French Taunting HD - The Full Version") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9DCAFUerzs&t=42s) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/659 "2024-02-14T22:31:49Z")
There was a mass shooting at the KC Chiefs victory parade. > [@Reported shots fired at Chiefs Super Bowl rally](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/reported-shots-fired-at-chiefs-super-bowl-rally/997568): > > Hopefully it’s nothing serious and nobody was hurt. ETA: Getting texts from my wife who is watching on TV. Two or three victims reported. Not sure if that is injuries or fatalities. This seems like the appropriate thread to speculate about it being some MAGAt who bought into the idiotic Swift-Kelce-Biden conspiracy theories. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/660 "2024-02-14T22:34:56Z")
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