# Omnibus Evil MFers in the news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496 "2023-05-03T11:05:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1261 "2024-06-08T12:15:32Z")
Some of those airsoft guns are essentially replicas of real/regular guns. > [@enipla](#): > > I thought they had to have an orange tip on the barrel of something. I’m not sure what the laws are on that, but it never quite made sense to me. I guess if you saw a kid walking around with an orange-tipped gun, it would be safe to assume it’s fake. But whenever the topic comes up, my first thought is ‘I’ll just make sure to paint the end of my gun orange before the next time I rob a store’. Come to think of it, it would make more sense for it to be illegal to give a real gun an orange tip rather than requiring fake guns to have one. Edit: [From wiki:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_gun?useskin=vector#Laws) > #### Laws > > In the United States, federal law and regulations indicate that all toy guns transported or imported into the country must have a 6mm-wide blaze orange tip or a blaze orange stripe 1-inch (2.54 centimeters) thick on both sides of the barrel. However, this is not required by federal law for airsoft and paintball. Part 272 of [Title 15 of the Code of Federal Regulations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_15_of_the_Code_of_Federal_Regulations) on foreign commerce and trade (15 CFR 272) states that “no person shall manufacture, enter into commerce, ship, transport, or receive any toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm” without approved markings; these may include an orange tip, orange barrel plug, brightly colored ([safety orange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_orange)) exterior of the whole toy, or transparent construction. > > [New York City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City), [Washington, D.C.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.), [Chicago](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago), and parts of [Michigan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan) have completely banned airsoft guns.[_[citation needed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)_]. In New York City, as of 2003, the sale of replica toy guns was punishable with one year’s jail term plus $1,000. Chicago goes even further with their mandates.[[21]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_gun?useskin=vector#cite_note-21) It is considered a crime to wield a look-alike or replica gun (e.g., toy gun, airsoft gun) in public. If a toy gun or replica gun is used to commit a crime in Chicago, then that person is treated as though they had actually used a real firearm.[_[citation needed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)_] However, state laws relating to the regulation of toy, look-alike, or imitation firearms, or purporting to ban the sale or manufacture of bb guns, paintball guns, or airsoft guns are preempted by federal law.[[22]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_gun?useskin=vector#cite_note-22) Note: I didn’t dig past this quote, so I’m not sure if airsoft guns don’t need the orange tip or aren’t allowed to have them. That is, I don’t know if these laws don’t include airsoft guns or specifically exclude them. They’re a lot closer to real guns then ones that shoot nerf darts or water. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1262 "2024-06-08T12:18:30Z")
In general, I think it should be illegal to make a fake gun that looks so much like a real one. I believe there was legislation about it? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1263 "2024-06-08T13:01:48Z")
Guy kills 3 people and injures another with a metal pipe, because he hopes a movie could be made about it. > **[Victims identified, Marion man facing murder charges in Linn County death...](https://www.kcrg.com/2024/06/06/victims-identified-marion-man-facing-murder-charges-linn-county-death-investigation/)** > > A Marion man arrested in connection to the deaths of three people in Rural Linn County now faces three counts of First Degree Murder in the case. > Investigators said the victims appeared to have blunt force trauma to the head from being hit by a metal pipe. > > The sheriff said one of the possible motives for the murders was a chance that the crime could be made into a movie. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1264 "2024-06-08T14:01:36Z")
> **[Man who killed unhoused woman with pellet gun gets five years in prison: ‘Her...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/07/teen-sentenced-killing-homeless-woman-pellet-gun)** > > William Innes, 19, pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter in 2023 death of Annette Pershal in San Diego I don’t think the punishment would be so light for these two if the victim wasn’t homeless. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1265 "2024-06-08T16:07:27Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > A juror was dismissed from a fraud trial today after reporting that a woman dropped off a bag of money at her home and promised her more if she would vote to acquit seven people charged with stealing 40 million from a program meant to feed children during the pandemic. Update: 5 of the 7 defendants were convicted in this trial. > **[Bag of cash doesn't stop jurors from convicting 5 of 7 defendants in $40...](https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-food-fraud-bag-of-cash-8752231fd8c74762209bac8f35a592e4)** > > A bag of $120,000 in cash didn't stop Minnesota jurors from convicting 5 of 7 defendants in a $40 million pandemic food fraud scheme. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1266 "2024-06-08T20:52:09Z")
Washington, for the record, is an open-carry state. Had the airsoft guns been real the youths would have been fully within their rights to be carrying them as long as they weren’t using them to commit some other crime. Lots of cognitive dissonance with the people who want to be allowed to have as many guns with them anywhere all the time, but are also paranoid of everyone and convinced that they’re going to have to be the “good guy with a gun” and heroically thwart the other people exercising that same right. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1267 "2024-06-08T20:59:50Z")
All one needs to know to understand why this shooting occurred, > An off-duty, armed security guard shot and killed 17-year-old **Hazrat Ali Rohani** and if ~~X~~ Twitter is to be believed, [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1573414905562251264/oFXJdPFp_400x400.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1573414905562251264/oFXJdPFp_400x400.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1268 "2024-06-08T21:41:10Z")
Well, that explains that. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1269 "2024-06-08T21:46:23Z")
God damn it. I don’t know if my blood pressure can take this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1270 "2024-06-08T21:56:17Z")
Murderous racists exist in Seattle. They can show up anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1271 "2024-06-08T22:00:29Z")
To be fair, clearly he owned a Travon Martin hoodie and was in possession of a Tamir Rice style deadly weapon. What more evidence does one need to see that this was a clearly justified ~~murder~~ ~~killing~~ discharge of a firearm? /bitter sarcasm ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1272 "2024-06-08T22:34:39Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Murderous racists exist in Seattle. They don’t usually set foot in Seattle proper - they just stay in Renton and Bellevue and Issaquah and let KOMO tell them the city is still a smoldering pile of rubble after the police were defunded and CHOP burned everything to the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1273 "2024-06-09T04:20:07Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > They don’t usually set foot in Seattle proper - they just stay in Renton and Bellevue and Issaquah and let KOMO tell them the city is still a smoldering pile of rubble after the police were defunded and CHOP burned everything to the ground. Or east of the Cascades. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1274 "2024-06-09T10:02:56Z")
Sorry, what’s KOMO and CHOP? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1275 "2024-06-09T10:04:38Z")
KOMO = The local Sinclair-owned TV station which has spent most of the last decade hyping up urban crime and talking about how Seattle is “dying” because of homeless people CHOP = Capital Hill Organized Protest, when some BLM guys took over a park for a few weeks in summer 2020 and Fox News lost its shit ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1276 "2024-06-09T10:11:24Z")
Thank you. Ugh, Sinclair tv is a pestilence everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1277 "2024-06-09T17:01:38Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Washington, for the record, is an open-carry state. Had the airsoft guns been real the youths would have been fully within their rights to be carrying them as long as they weren’t using them to commit some other crime. A very, very quick look tells me in WA you have to be 21 to open carry. The kid was 17. From what I can tell, the only time someone under 18, in WA, can even handle a gun is under a very specific set of circumstances. I’m not entirely sure bringing it to the store for repairs would even be covered here. I think if the store had a range, that would be a loophole. [RCW 9.41.042: Children—Permissible firearm possession.](https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.042) And to be clear, this is for real guns, I’m not sure how this applies to replica and/or airsoft guns. > [@Smapti](#): > > Lots of cognitive dissonance with the people who want to be allowed to have as many guns with them anywhere all the time, but are also paranoid of everyone and convinced that they’re going to have to be the “good guy with a gun” and heroically thwart the other people exercising that same right. I’ve been meaning to start an RNC-Milwaukee thread and this was one of the things I wanted to address. TPTB in Milwaukee suggested a ban on firearms. One of the reasons it didn’t go through is because they’re worried that banning guns from the secure zone will just encourage the 2A crowd to show up and cause a scene. However, buckets full of human waste are still banned. > **[Milwaukee council committee rejects effort to ban guns in Republican...](https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2024/06/07/milwaukee-committee-rejects-proposed-rnc-security-footprint-gun-ban/73959882007/)** > > The City Attorney's Office says state law prevents the city from prohibiting guns in the security "footprint" of the Republican National Convention. > Spiker made the motion to deny Bauman’s proposed gun prohibition, saying it was clear that the measure would violate a state law that the city needed to follow. He also cited concerns that passing the ordinance would compel people who want to challenge the law to come to the RNC armed. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1278 "2024-06-09T17:41:52Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > A very, very quick look tells me in WA you have to be 21 to open carry. The kid was 17. From what I can tell, the only time someone under 18, in WA, can even handle a gun is under a very specific set of circumstances. I’m not entirely sure bringing it to the store for repairs would even be covered here. I think if the store had a range, that would be a loophole. [RCW 9.41.042: Children—Permissible firearm possession.](https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.042) > And to be clear, this is for real guns, I’m not sure how this applies to replica and/or airsoft guns. It in no way applies to toy guns. That said tell me what age the man in this photo is? [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1573414905562251264/oFXJdPFp_400x400.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1573414905562251264/oFXJdPFp_400x400.jpg) I couldn’t say if he was 15 or 25, all I know is he’s not as old as me. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1279 "2024-06-09T17:57:16Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > It in no way applies to toy guns. It’s good thing I said that in my post. The next line after the part you quoted is that disclaimer. > [@Joey\_P](#): > > And to be clear, this is for real guns, I’m not sure how this applies to replica and/or airsoft guns. And the reason it came up, and the reason I made that disclaimer, is because I was replying to Smapti’s post about IF it had been a real gun. My point was that IF it had been a real gun, he still wouldn’t have been allowed to carry it because he was a minor. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > That said tell me what age the man in this photo is? Why? What difference does it make if I can tell how old someone in a picture is? Whether or not his shooting would be justified, so far as I know, wouldn’t have anything to do with his age. I don’t think “I thought he was 15” vs “I thought he was 25” will change the outcome of the case. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1280 "2024-06-09T18:02:53Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > > > It in no way applies to toy guns. > > It’s good thing I said that in my post. > The next line after the part you quoted is that disclaimer. You didn’t say it in your post, you said you weren’t sure. This is the line that follows what I quoted, > [@Joey\_P](#): > > A very, very quick look tells me in WA you have to be 21 to open carry. The kid was 17. From what I can tell, the only time someone under 18, in WA, can even handle a gun is under a very specific set of circumstances. I’m not entirely sure bringing it to the store for repairs would even be covered here. I think if the store had a range, that would be a loophole. [RCW 9.41.042: Children—Permissible firearm possession.](https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.042) > And to be clear, this is for real guns, I’m not sure how this applies to replica and/or airsoft guns. > > **I’ve been meaning to start an RNC-Milwaukee thread and this was one of the things I wanted to address.** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=65)