# Omnibus Evil MFers in the news thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 3, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496 "2023-05-03T11:05:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1741 "2024-09-06T23:35:53Z")
> **[Utah woman killed her 3 children, herself in vehicle, officials say](https://apnews.com/article/four-dead-utah-vehicle-87b8992953ca867b9ba1d3c5df3a4e28)** > > A Utah woman and her three children who were found shot to death in a vehicle earlier this week died in a murder-suicide. Weber County Sheriff's Lt. Although most here probably consider her mentally ill, not evil. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1742 "2024-09-06T23:47:33Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Although most here probably consider her mentally ill, not evil. Based on what? > The investigation continues to try and determine what led to the shooting, something Lavely said might not lead to an answer. > “As a family, we unfortunately knew nothing about her mental health. We always saw her as a loving mother, which makes this so shocking for us,” the statement said. “This pain is something we wish no one would ever have to go through.” There’s not enough information to draw a conclusion either way. ---
**Author:** ![Xocomil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xocomil/32/14927_2.png) [@Xocomil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xocomil)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1743 "2024-09-07T00:15:10Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Although most here probably consider her mentally ill, not evil. > [@Atamasama](#): > > There’s not enough information to draw a conclusion either way. What does one have to do with the other? It’s perfectly possible to suffer from severe mental illness and commit willful acts of evil. Hypothetically, if a woman suffering from severe depression exacerbated by a difficult divorce kills her children to keep their father from having them, that is _evil_. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1744 "2024-09-07T00:54:17Z")
> [@Xocomil](#): > > Hypothetically, if a woman suffering from severe depression exacerbated by a difficult divorce kills her children to keep their father from having them, that is _evil_. Absolutely true. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1745 "2024-09-07T01:12:00Z")
> [@Xocomil](#): > > Hypothetically, if a woman suffering from severe depression exacerbated by a difficult divorce kills her children to keep their father from having them, that is _evil_. Disagree. If you commit an act like this because you truly don’t see a way out, is it evil? I realize this may be a hijack or change of topic, though. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1746 "2024-09-07T01:40:53Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > If you commit an act like this because you truly don’t see a way out, is it evil? Yes, it is. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1747 "2024-09-07T01:51:08Z")
Was the most evil thing John Wick ever did in the Wick movies killing someone in a library with a book, getting blood on it _and then re-shelving the book_??!? ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1748 "2024-09-07T03:57:31Z")
> [@Xocomil](#): > > It’s perfectly possible to suffer from severe mental illness and commit willful acts of evil. “Willful” is the key point. If you are severely mentally ill, not all acts you commit are willful, if you are driven to do some of them by mental illness. A person may be a danger to society, and society takes whatever steps are needed to contain that danger, not to punish that person but to protect everyone else. I would not call such a person willfully evil. And since the thread is about “Evil MFers” not evil acts, it makes sense to note the cases where those two things diverge. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1749 "2024-09-07T06:20:33Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > If you are severely mentally ill, not all acts you commit are willful, if you are driven to do some of them by mental illness. A lot of ifs there. Not all mental illnesses cause a person to lose control or reason. That’s why I said earlier that we don’t have nearly enough info to make a determination in this story, and we may never know enough to do so. ETA: To add my personal experience, I experienced depression severe enough to attempt suicide. I think that counts as “severe”. I knew exactly what I was doing, I was in full control of my actions, I had just made a decision that I (wrongly) thought was the most effective way to end the pain and hopelessness. My attempt was completely willful, and yet it was also the result of mental illness I struggled with (triggered by an acutely terrible situation I was in at the time). So it will vary from situation to situation. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1750 "2024-09-07T12:25:38Z")
Regarding the brave woman who was so abused by her husband and 70 other men, the telegraph has a headline that reads: “Wife takes public revenge on men who raped her every night on husband’s order.” I’m not going to link to it, but I just want to say that whoever actually wrote that headline is a disgusting piece of shit for a human being. They should definitely go fuck themselves. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1751 "2024-09-07T12:32:52Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > I’m not going to link to it, but I just want to say that whoever actually wrote that headline is a disgusting piece of shit for a human being. What’s wrong with that? I see no problem with taking revenge in a case like this. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1752 "2024-09-07T12:35:49Z")
Seeking justice is not taking revenge. One of those men was her neighbor and she interacted with him regularly. This makes me ill. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1753 "2024-09-07T12:51:08Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > What’s wrong with that? I see no problem with taking revenge in a case like this. Did she rape them in public? That’s “takes public revenge” in my world. Testifying against them in court is not “public revenge” unless you’re a woman hating fuckwit. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1754 "2024-09-07T14:10:30Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > ETA: To add my personal experience, I experienced depression severe enough to attempt suicide. I think that counts as “severe”. I knew exactly what I was doing, I was in full control of my actions, I had just made a decision that I (wrongly) thought was the most effective way to end the pain and hopelessness. > > My attempt was completely willful, and yet it was also the result of mental illness I struggled with (triggered by an acutely terrible situation I was in at the time). > > So it will vary from situation to situation. I’m glad you were able to get through that situation and that you’re still with us. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1755 "2024-09-07T17:51:42Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I’m glad you were able to get through that situation and that you’re still with us. Thank you! It was a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1756 "2024-09-07T19:08:51Z")
Well, [here’s an unambiguous evil MFer:](https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/07/us/marbella-martinez-utah-death/index.html) Chilling details at the CNN link. Summary: Father stalks and harasses his own daughter, finally strangles her and flees the country. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1757 "2024-09-09T10:12:01Z")
They need to find this asshole. Get him and grind him into the dirt. Attacking a baby! He has to have some kind of mental disorder. > **[International hunt for man who threw hot coffee on baby](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8drzm09j0o)** > > The man is accused of leaving the baby with severe burns requiring multiple surgeries. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1758 "2024-09-09T16:12:31Z")
I bet that guy would download music illegally. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/oXR4T8xVFdw/hqdefault.jpg "Online Piracy PSA Parody") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXR4T8xVFdw) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1759 "2024-09-09T16:47:02Z")
This I would have sent to the general Stupid MoFos thread, just from the ridiculous scale, but the terroristic threat took it to another level and cut close since I know one of the threatened persons. Plus he wound up in my back yard in PR. Fine citizen gets his civics lessons on participation kind of wrong. > **[13 Months in Prison for Threatening Call to Congressional Staffer and 12,000...](https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/13-months-prison-threatening-call-congressional-staffer-and-12000-harassing-telephone)** > > Ade Salim Lilly, 35, of Queens, NY, was sentenced today in U.S. District Court to 13 months in prison and 36 months of supervised release for threatening to kill a Congressional staffer and for conducting a campaign of pervasive harassing... Summary: Dude made 12,000+ harassing and/or threatening phone calls to offices of Congress including at least one threatening to kill the person answering by running him over or blowing him up. In one case over a 2-day period he called the same representative’s number 500 times (creating a phone DOS attack tying up lines and staff?). One year in Fed pen and three more on probation. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496/1760 "2024-09-09T16:58:23Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > They need to find this asshole. Get him and grind him into the dirt. Attacking a baby! He has to have some kind of mental disorder Well, it could have been a very bad baby. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=87) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-evil-mfers-in-the-news-thread/983496.md?page=89)