# Omnibus Religious Fucks in the NEWS **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066 "2022-02-07T18:33:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/321 "2023-06-19T02:54:27Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > We’ve had See’s here since before I was born (and I’m _old_), so I’ve never bought Russell Stover. Seattle has See’s, and also many higher quality chocolates. Dilettante is wonderful, they have a big market at the airport AND the best coffee kiosk if you want a devilishly dark Mocha. Our mid-size midwestern town has [at least](https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=chocolate&find_loc=Verona%2C+WI+53593) six independent chocolatiers, where you can go in, try a sample, and have them put together a custom box (“I only want really dark ones. What herbs are in the Herbal Infusion? Is the Sea Salt Habenjero Dark very spicy? Isn’t Almond Amaretto redundant? Ooh, what’s that one?” They love me…). . Arrrrgh! I just saw that we’re far afield of the topic, sorry. So… > [@silenus](#): > > I would think that a God who could change sub-par wine into hemoglobin, plasma and the like wouldn’t have any problem with a little elderberry. _“Your Mass is invalid, because your Bishop was a hamster and your Father smelt of elderberries!”_ . I’ve always wondered, surely someone has done a hemoglobin test on “consecrated” wine… Our church is full of smart people (University profs, doctors, scientists). I’d bet you that, no matter what their doctrine says, NONE of them actually believe they’re drinking human blood. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/322 "2023-06-19T03:53:31Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > My wife prefers and specifically asks for Palmer Easter candy. The one that [blew up](https://abc7ny.com/rm-palmer-chocolate-factory-explosion-pennsylvania-west-reading/13020432/) in March? (Natural gas explosion) ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/323 "2023-06-19T11:27:54Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Didn’t a, or maybe the, Palmer factory explode? I’m not kidding > > OK, here it is. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7QcitXbQHk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7QcitXbQHk) > [@DesertDog](#): > > The one that [blew up](https://abc7ny.com/rm-palmer-chocolate-factory-explosion-pennsylvania-west-reading/13020432/) in March? (Natural gas explosion) Yes. _Ostensibly_ an accident, but I suspect possibly the work of some outraged Swiss chocolatier… ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/324 "2023-06-19T11:29:52Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Yes. _Ostensibly_ an accident, but I suspect possibly the work of some outraged Swiss chocolatier… I think you’ve misspelled “Belgian” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/325 "2023-06-19T12:20:48Z")
[Muslims opposing LGBTQ+ books and allyship aren’t bigoted, but moral.](https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/6/19/muslims-opposed-to-lgbtq-curricula-for-their-kids-arent-bigots) It’s not stupid per se, but still 🤨 and I wasn’t sure where else it belongs. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/326 "2023-06-19T13:24:50Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I’ve always wondered, surely someone has done a hemoglobin test on “consecrated” wine… > > Our church is full of smart people (University profs, doctors, scientists). I’d bet you that, no matter what their doctrine says, NONE of them actually believe they’re drinking human blood. As I understand it, that’s what makes transubstantiation a miracle. The Blood and the Host are indistinguishable from wine and stale bread, but are now the Body and Blood of Christ. I often wonder whether the first century christians deliberately turned their backs on symbolism, as the gnostics were all about it. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/327 "2023-06-19T14:10:55Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > As I understand it, that’s what makes transubstantiation a miracle. The Blood and the Host are indistinguishable from wine and stale bread, but are now the Body and Blood of Christ. Lapsed Catholic here. You are correct. Even the devout understand that the form doesn’t change. No one expected it to taste like a rare steak. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/328 "2023-06-19T14:15:09Z")
[Homer]Mmmm, Jesus rare steak[/Homer] ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/329 "2023-06-19T14:17:52Z")
Correct, but as explained to me (by a very devout MD, who is also a PhD in something) you can’t taste it as blood and flesh because of your own limitations. It is absolutely, positively the body and blood of Christ, not just symbolically so. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/330 "2023-06-19T14:20:28Z")
It’s always funny how the devout (especially theologians) tie themselves in knots to explain the unexplainable. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/331 "2023-06-19T16:51:38Z")
And yet when I take twenty bucks of earthly paper money out of the offering plate and drop in a fistful of symbolic gold coins… ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/332 "2023-06-19T17:10:14Z")
Chocolate coins. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/333 "2023-06-19T17:13:30Z")
Paper money is Faith Based! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/334 "2023-06-19T17:28:52Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > As I understand it, that’s what makes transubstantiation a miracle. The Blood and the Host are indistinguishable from wine and stale bread, but are now the Body and Blood of Christ. I often wonder if that can explain various miracles attributed to Christ: maybe the water he turned into wine remained indistinguishable from water — and maybe this or that guy cured of blindness remained indistinguishable from other guys who remained blind — and maybe the body of the guy who died has now returned to life, by which I of course mean it remained indistinguishable from, as it were, remains. After all, if someone is going to claim that a miracle occurred even though the stuff before us is indistinguishable from the wine and stale bread that it, uh, _used to be,_ then why the heck _wouldn’t_ they blandly advance each of the other claims for significantly similar reasons? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/335 "2023-06-19T17:54:25Z")
I remember watching a miniseries on TV that was a sequel to _[Tales of the City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_City_(1993_miniseries))_. In it, one character came across a secret group of devout Episcopalians in San Francisco that took the whole body and blood of Christ thing _way_ too seriously. Spoiler-blurred for grossness but one of their members stole a human limb from a hospital and they literally ate it rather than the communion wafer. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/336 "2023-06-19T18:23:59Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Correct, but as explained to me (by a very devout MD, who is also a PhD in something) you can’t taste it as blood and flesh because of your own limitations. It is absolutely, positively the body and blood of Christ, not just symbolically so. I have never heard that, not in 12 years of Catholic school, not ever. Lots of explanation about “form” versus “substance,” but it was always clear that no outward physical change occurred for any aspect of the bread and wine. I suspect your MD friend is usurping the duties of the magisterium. The next time you see him you should burn him at the stake as a heretic. It’s safest that way. ETA: To be clear, your pal is correct in this: The RCC teaches that the consecrated bread and wine is positively, absolutely the body and blood of Christ. But no need to make the poor faithful feel deficient because they can’t conjure up the taste of blood. They have enough problems trying to keep track of which sins are venial and which are cardinal. Best to keep an attorney on retainer. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/337 "2023-06-19T18:27:42Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > I suspect your MD friend is usurping the duties of the magisterium. The next time you see him you should burn him at the stake as a heretic. It’s safest that way. Just Google “Eucharist symbolic or real” and see what you find. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/338 "2023-06-19T18:40:57Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > trying to keep track of which sins are venial and which are cardinal I learned it as venial vs. mortal. Am I that old? Yeah, they told us it was real blood and body, but I never believed it even as a pretty little kid. My younger sister said she even knew at that age that I was an unbeliever. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/339 "2023-06-19T18:44:42Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > I learned it as venial vs. mortal. Am I that old? I think you’re right. “Cardinal” is an alternate name for the Seven Deadlies, I guess a subset of mortal sins. It’s been a while. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/340 "2023-06-19T18:45:52Z")
Even as an unbeliever, some of that stuff is embedded _deep_ in my head. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066.md?page=18)