# Omnibus Religious Fucks in the NEWS **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066 "2022-02-07T18:33:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/801 "2024-09-02T20:10:17Z")
I don’t know if this refutes you point or proves it [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qV9C6Am8xzk/maxresdefault.jpg "Everything's Alright | Jesus Christ Superstar (1973) | TUNE") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV9C6Am8xzk) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/802 "2024-09-02T20:25:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Unfortunately, that isn’t wasn’t what I was asking for at all. I am asking for a personal opinion as to which _sects_ do not count as Christian in your eyes because they do not follow the True Tenets of Christianity in your eyes. Sects don’t follow tenets. People do. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/803 "2024-09-02T20:27:56Z")
And Gods don’t create sects. People do. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/804 "2024-09-02T20:31:48Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Unfortunately, that isn’t wasn’t what I was asking for at all. I am asking for a personal opinion as to which _sects_ do not count as Christian in your eyes because they do not follow the True Tenets of Christianity in your eyes. Some strong “why won’t the Muslims just condemn terrorism” vibes here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/805 "2024-09-02T20:35:39Z")
And I’m getting strong “Gotta change that subject” vibes _here_. Keep it vague and you keep it safe-Am I right? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/806 "2024-09-02T20:37:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And Gods don’t create sects. People do. A tiny minority of them do. 99.99…% of them just follow religions rather than founding their own. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/807 "2024-09-02T20:38:37Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Keep it vague and you keep it safe-Am I right? If you think my motivation is protecting Christians, no, you aren’t right. But then, you never are. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/808 "2024-09-02T20:54:35Z")
> [@Zyada](#): > > One of the problems with Christianity is that the bar to admission is very low. All you have to do is quote John 3:16 and declare you believe in Jesus. (And that’s not hard if you were raised Christian, Jesus is as real to you as George Washington) I strongly disagree with the part in parentheses, as it implies this equivalency is true for every person raised a Christian. Lots of people raised as Christians, myself included, have never felt that Jesus was as real as George Washington, in any sense of the word “real.” This is not really important to this particular argument, but I feel the need to challenge assumptions like this. The rest of your post is, however, spot on. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/809 "2024-09-02T20:58:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > which _sects_ do not count as Christian In terms of the definition of “Christian” and the numbers offered in the other thread, there are a couple billion Christian sects. A fair bit of overlap, but each individual Christian has their unique belief set, and an opinion about what it means to be one. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/810 "2024-09-02T21:01:32Z")
I wouldn’t mind seeing a few of those opinions about other sects on this board…and there is no reason to go through all of them because that would be just silly, wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/811 "2024-09-02T21:03:16Z")
So, why are you so interested in sects? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/812 "2024-09-02T21:05:36Z")
Isn’t everyone? Oh! Se **CT** s! Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/813 "2024-09-02T21:05:52Z")
So why are you avoiding the question? Like I said, I really don’t expect an answer…but what the hell, let’s give it a shot. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/814 "2024-09-02T21:50:44Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > In terms of the definition of “Christian” and the numbers offered in the other thread, there are a couple billion Christian sects. A fair bit of overlap, but each individual Christian has their unique belief set, and an opinion about what it means to be one. I think it was Bertrand Russell who said “There as many religions as there are believers”. (quoted from memory) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/815 "2024-09-02T21:51:18Z")
Everybody lay off, there’s no harm in Just Asking Questions. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/816 "2024-09-02T22:00:48Z")
Is there some point at which this hijack becomes relevant, beyond the cheap “All religions are evil” platitudes? God [sic] knows that we are all well aware of the atrocities that have been done in the name of one God/religion or another. And saying that the people committing those atrocities aren’t representative of “true believers” isn’t any more true than saying that they are. So could we please stop with the “sect X has it right but sect Y has it wrong” nonsense? It really does vary by person. Faith adds fuel to existing flames; it can warm a house or burn it down depending on how the fire is built. And the religious fucks that used to be the focus of this thread are not evil because they are religious. They’d be evil anyway. The religion is just the medium and the excuse. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/817 "2024-09-02T22:10:57Z")
First, I am not the person arguing “no true Christian” As far as my experience goes, the only thing you need to do to qualify to be a Christian is to believe in Jesus. Nor am I avoiding the question. I’m asking for clarification as to what you are looking for, since my answer was not adequate. But I now see that you are looking for specific sects as examples of those that do not follow what others are calling the Tenets of Christianity. It sounds a lot like you are asking for a list so you can do some sort of gotcha, like “but they do this!” or "but what about this group? " If not, please clarify. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/818 "2024-09-02T22:15:52Z")
Major difference you forgot to mention: _I would really LOVE to get an actual fucking answer to a question I have been asking for years_, so you can take your cheap-ass “JAQing off” accusation and shove it. To @Zyada, yes I am asking for specific sects, because I like my information to be more specific then nebulous. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/819 "2024-09-02T22:40:25Z")
> [@Zyada](#): > > It sounds a lot like you are asking for a list so you can do some sort of gotcha, like “but they do this!” or "but what about this group? " Yup, I’m pretty sure this is exactly the agenda. And I stand by my previous accusation 100%. And if there was a sincere question, I’d say that the umbrella for “Christianity” is so broad that as you say, it just involves professing a belief that Christ is a person’s savior, everything else is just details. A person who doesn’t really believe in Christ’s salvation would be the only person I’d consider to not be a true Christian. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066/820 "2024-09-02T22:58:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > yes I am asking for specific sects, because I like my information to be more specific then nebulous. Then I am sorry that you seem incapable of understanding that you are trying to get an answer where there is no answer to your question. I could list the major Christian religions: Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Southern Baptists, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Quakers, Amish, Unitarian Universalists, and there are going to be a lot more in Wikipedia. But what “sect” do you put the non-denominational churches in? What about the people who preach in their home to only their family? So, what do you do if someone actually says “I think Southern Baptists are not true Christians”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-religious-fucks-in-the-news/959066.md?page=42)