# Omnibus Stupid MFers in the news thread (Part 1)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [January 31, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945 "2021-01-31T21:25:31Z")\
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**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3390 "2022-06-12T17:19:04Z")

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I’d buy a few hundred rolls of two-ply Charmin if they’d print it up in the colors of the Russian flag.

Playing off of this theme, I suppose:

[![](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/amz/cps/live/images/media/images/78041000/jpg/_78041595_img_1974.jpg) ](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/amz/cps/live/images/media/images/78041000/jpg/_78041595_img_1974.jpg)

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**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\
**Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3391 "2022-06-12T21:21:21Z")

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A mother and grandmother in Arizona have been charged with murder after a nine year old girl died from a massive amount of head lice.

> **[Arizona Women Charged with Murder After Authorities Say 9-Year-Old Died From...](https://lawandcrime.com/crime/sandra-elizabeth-kraykovich-arizona-hair-lice-murder-case/)**
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> Sandra Kraykovich and Elizabeth Kraykovich are facing murder charges after authorities say Sandra's daughter died in part due to an "enormous" lice infestation.

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**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\
**Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3392 "2022-06-13T02:37:47Z")

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To imagine the degree of piggery that family quite likely had been living in; hope authorities didn’t contract any scabies or get bedbugs.

> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Or laying in the street where it may be properly honored.

So absolutely apropos of nada…indeed: laying stuff on the street [doesn’t always have to show respect.](https://youtu.be/EUImq73kRig?t=105)

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**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\
**Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3393 "2022-06-13T16:37:10Z")

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Ezra Miller, the movie version of the Flash, has disappeared with the teenaged girl he was accused of grooming.

> **[DC Star Kidnaps Teenager And Vanishes, Authorities Continue Searching -...](https://insidethemagic.net/2022/06/ezra-miller-kidnaps-teenager-and-vanishes-kb1)**
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> Ezra Miller continues to shock fans by hiding with a girl he allegedly groomed and brainwashed even though a restraining order was issued.

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**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\
**Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3394 "2022-06-13T19:17:45Z")

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She seems to be 18, at least by now, so no longer underage? The court did grant a restraining order, so there must be evidence not in the press to support that. All I can find in the press are the family’s accusations, the granting of the order, and the disappearance. I haven’t been able to find any reference in the press to Miller trying to fight the order legally. I agree that disappearing was a pretty stupid move.

So, just to bend over slightly backwards, there may be more to this story, enough more to change it to a different story.

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**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3395 "2022-06-14T02:02:01Z")

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> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> Ezra Miller, the movie version of the Flash, has disappeared with the teenaged girl he was accused of grooming.

Slight correction; Ezra is nonbinary, publicly since 2018, which is why the article used the “they/them/their” pronouns.

> **[New Video from Ezra Miller's Arrest Shows Them Correcting Police on Pronoun...](https://people.com/movies/ezra-miller-corrects-police-over-pronouns-during-hawaii-arrest-video/)**
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> 'I'm not a sir. I'm transgender nonbinary,' Ezra Miller says in the video of their arrest, obtained by TMZ

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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3396 "2022-06-14T02:31:50Z")

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> [@Atamasama](#):
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> (in the link)  
> [Ezra Miller Corrected Police on Their Pronouns During Arrest: Video](https://people.com/movies/ezra-miller-corrects-police-over-pronouns-during-hawaii-arrest-video/)

That raises the question of whether there is an honorific to be associated with the pronoun. Or has that already been decided upon when I wasn’t watching?

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**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3397 "2022-06-14T03:46:00Z")

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Perhaps this is why all futuristic show call everyone sir…

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**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3398 "2022-06-14T03:50:48Z")

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> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> That raises the question of whether there is an honorific to be associated with the pronoun.

I think the most common is Mx, pronounced “mix” or “mux”, but even that’s not that ubiquitous. I’ve never actually heard it in an actual conversation.

> **[Mx. - A Gender-Neutral Honorific](https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/mx-gender-neutral-title)**
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> Words We're Watching

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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3399 "2022-06-14T04:11:01Z")

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> [@Atamasama](#):
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> > [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> > That raises the question of whether there is an honorific to be associated with the pronoun.
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> I think the most common is Mx, pronounced “mix” or “mux”, but even that’s not that ubiquitous. I’ve never actually heard it in an actual conversation.

That’ll do for a NYTimes article, but how would you respectfully address a nonbinary when you want to say “Thank you,” or “Please come with me. You’re under arrest.“

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**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3400 "2022-06-14T04:37:10Z")

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“Thank you, Ezra.” or “You’re under arrest, jerkwad.“

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**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3401 "2022-06-14T05:58:38Z")

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“Hands up, Flash!”

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**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3402 "2022-06-14T08:19:52Z")

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> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> That raises the question of whether there is an honorific to be associated with the pronoun. Or has that already been decided upon when I wasn’t watching?

From the article, they prefer to be called “zir.”

I’m a little confused about why they were walking around unmonitored. Two bar fights in a couple of weeks where they were intoxicated and in one case hit a woman in the face with a chair, both in Hawaii. At their arraignment , couldn’t the judge have ordered an alcohol monitor or a tracking anklet? They don’t live there, and they travel all around the world, why not take their passport?

Besides, I’m beginning to think they are the wrong person to play Flash. Even I know Flash can’t get drunk. 🙂 Having them get in drunken binges every week is not a good look for DC. I suspect if they are really on the run, their career is over. I wonder what will happen with the Flash movie, it’s coming up for release soon. I can’t see the movie being released if the star is a fugitive on the run.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3403 "2022-06-14T13:38:55Z")

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> [@Atamasama](#):
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> Mx, pronounced “mix” or “mux”,

Depending on gender? 🤡

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**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3404 "2022-06-14T14:54:34Z")

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> [@mordecaiB](#):
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> I can’t see the movie being released if the star is a fugitive on the run.

They can nab him at the premiere!

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Or when he tries to sneak into a theater…

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3405 "2022-06-14T14:59:30Z")

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> [@mordecaiB](#):
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> I can’t see the movie being released if the star is a fugitive on the run.

Call Tommy Lee Jones.

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**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3406 "2022-06-14T15:43:10Z")

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It’s a pity Christopher Plummer isn’t around when they need him.

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**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3407 "2022-06-14T15:59:00Z")

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> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> That raises the question of whether there is an honorific to be associated with the pronoun. Or has that already been decided upon when I wasn’t watching?

What about the Japanese honorific “san”? If I’m not mistaken, that’s gender-neutral, isn’t it?

As heard, for example, in “Nishiyama-san, kunichi-wa?”

I’d be all in favor of adopting that into English usage, if so.

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**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3408 "2022-06-14T16:06:03Z")

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> [@Senegoid](#):
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> What about the Japanese honorific “san”? If I’m not mistaken, that’s gender-neutral, isn’t it?

Yes, “san” and “sama” are both gender-neutral.

Other Japanese honorifics are not quite so gender-neutral… “Kun” is usually used for a young male, though in some contexts it can be used for a female. I think of it sort of along the lines of “dude”, in that it usually implies a male but you can also call a female “dude” in some contexts without it being incorrect. Now, “kun” is not equivalent to “dude”, I just use the comparison in terms of what gender can be referenced.

“Chan” is usually used for young women, though it can be used for children of either gender.

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**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/3409 "2022-06-14T16:08:17Z")

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> [@Atamasama](#):
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> Yes, “san” and “sama” are both gender-neutral.

Let’s do it then! Let’s adopt using these in English.

Regards,  
Senegoid-san.

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