# Omnibus Stupid MFers in the news thread (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 31, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945 "2021-01-31T21:25:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 300
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/5991 "2023-01-18T19:27:39Z")
Utah plastic surgeon issued vaccination cards to patients he didn’t vaccinate, then dumped the vaccine down the drain. > **[Utah Plastic Surgeon Gave 2,000 Fake COVID Vax Shots, Feds Say](https://www.thedailybeast.com/utah-plastic-surgeon-michael-moore-gave-fake-covid-vax-shots-feds)** > > Dr. Michael K. Moore is facing criminal charges for allegedly helping anti-vaxxers skirt public health guidelines—all for a $50 “donation.” ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/5992 "2023-01-18T19:30:11Z")
I’m genuinely curious, and I’d love to see a followup, as to how many of those people that thought they were outsmarting the rest of us, are still alive and covid free. Sidenote, and I’ve mentioned this before, it always seems funny to me that people are buying and selling these fake vax cards, meanwhile, even some dark web markets banned them. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/5993 "2023-01-18T19:33:16Z")
I wonder, if one of those people died from covid, if the doctor can be charged with manslaughter. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/5994 "2023-01-18T19:37:19Z")
If he fake vaccinated people who _wanted_ to be vaccinated, I would hope that would be attempted murder charges. Here the adults were all cooperating antivaxers. But it appears that he did fake vaccinate minors with saline, with the collusion of antivax parents. This seems to go a step beyond a situation where a parent just won’t let a minor get vaccinated, because a minor at least knows the situation and can try to circumvent their parents’ wishes. Here both parents and this surgeon were colluding to deceive the minor into believing they were vaccinated. Can he (and the the parents) be charged if the minor is subsequently harmed by COVID? ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/5995 "2023-01-18T19:52:29Z")
I swear Arizona is living up to its rep of Florida of the west …so much dumb here > **[Skipped Showers, Paper Plates: An Arizona Suburb’s Water Is Cut Off](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/skipped-showers-paper-plates-an-arizona-suburb-s-water-is-cut-off/ar-AA16p4oZ?ocid=MSNHP_U646&pc=U646&cvid=c2c2407527ad4d9693befccf38986f22)** > > Hundreds of homes outside the boundaries of Scottsdale can no longer get water from the city, so their owners are living a worst-case scenario of drought in the West. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/5996 "2023-01-18T20:04:58Z")
Oof. Carving it up in the sublots of five houses is so shitty. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/5997 "2023-01-18T20:14:46Z")
Ironic that a village in a desert is named “Rio Verde”, which translates to “Green River”. Ain’t no river there, and there ain’t much green, either. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/5998 "2023-01-18T20:18:03Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > so much dumb here Yeah, the beginning of the article is misleading - I got the impression at first that there was a mains connection from Scottsdale that got cut off. But they never had a mains connection - they were _always_ getting water delivered by tanker truck into storage tanks. It’s just that the tankers can no longer fill up in Scottsdale. This makes me less sympathetic to the homeowners. It’s not like this is coming completely out of left field - they knew they were buying a home in the desert without a mains water supply or a well, and _recently_ after a well known decades-long drought. I feel like lack of due diligence on the risks of tanker supply is really on them. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/5999 "2023-01-18T20:38:20Z")
I don’t think it’s possible to prove that they’d have lived if they had the vaccine. It’s not like having a vaccine gives you a 100% chance of not dying from the illness the way that “not being stabbed” gives you a 100% chance of not bleeding out from being stabbed. Maybe reckless endangerment. But even then, he didn’t suck the vaccine out of them, he just helped them fraudulently claim to be vaccinated. They were just as vaccine-free as they were before his fake vaccine cards were given. The closest equivalent I can think of would be a guy making fake concealed weapon permits for people… If someone he gave a permit to shot someone, he wouldn’t be criminally responsible for the shooting itself because he didn’t even give them a gun. Maybe conspiracy at most. Which this plastic surgeon was also charged with, I note. (I’m not a lawyer.) ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6000 "2023-01-18T20:55:27Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > I swear Arizona is living up to its rep of Florida of the west …so much dumb here From the article: > Some say they know how it might look to outsiders. Yes, they bought homes in the Sonoran desert. But they ask, are they such outliers? “If your friends all jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?” – all too often, the answer to this seems to be “Sure!” Also from the same article: > To prevent unsustainable development in a desert state, Arizona passed a law in 1980 requiring subdivisions with six or more lots to show proof that they have a 100-year water supply. > > But developers in Rio Verde Foothills have been sidestepping the rule by carving larger parcels into sections with four or five houses each, creating the impression of a miniature suburbia, but one that did not need to legally prove it had water. [. . .] > > Thomas Galvin, a county supervisor who represents the area, says there’s not much the county can do if builders split their parcels into five lots or less to get around the water supply requirement. “Our hands are tied,” he said. No, your hands are not tied. You need to rewrite your subdivision ordinance to state that if the parcel’s been previously divided within the past X number of years (pick a high enough figure for X to make the tactic uneconomical), the sixth lot including the lots in any such previous division triggers whatever restrictions are required on 6+ lot subdivisions. Subdivision laws are written like that all the time. If Arizona state law for some reason forbids that, then it needs to be re-written at the state level; but my guess is that it can also be done at the county or maybe municipal level. – just checked. [Apparently in Arizona subdivisions are regulated at the county level if not “in a municipality”](https://www.lynchlegalfirm.com/articles/lot-splitting-and-subdividing/). > A.R.S. § 11-806.01(A) (“The county board of supervisors shall regulate the subdivision of all lands within its corporate limits, except subdivisions which are regulated by municipalities.”) ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6001 "2023-01-18T21:02:42Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > I swear Arizona is living up to its rep of Florida of the west …so much dumb here I did a little satellite view of Rio Verde and it looks like Desert McMansionville with plenty of pools to go along with their two golf course. You picked the correct thread for that article! ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6002 "2023-01-18T21:26:24Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I wonder, if one of those people died from covid, if the doctor can be charged with manslaughter. I would call it assisted suicide. As for No Rio No Verde, they may be stupid, but in a lot of older towns, such as the freethinking village of Apache Junction, hauling your own water has always been the Way Things Are Done. The lots are larger there, so you can park your camper(s), your tractor, your non-running cars, and your water trailer. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6003 "2023-01-18T23:35:18Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > “If your friends all jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?” > > – all too often, the answer to this seems to be “Sure!” > **[Bridge](https://xkcd.com/1170/)** > > And it says a lot about you that when your friends jump off a bridge en masse, your first thought is apparently 'my friends are all foolish and I won't be like them' and not 'are my friends ok?'. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6004 "2023-01-18T23:37:33Z")
Very good points! – not sure they apply to that particular case, though. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6005 "2023-01-18T23:38:10Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > No Rio No Verde, When my kid was little, we passed a subdivision being built, named “Fox Grove”. He piped up from the back seat “That’s because they chased out all the foxes and bulldozed the grove.” He tried his theory a few more times. Seemed pretty much like a rule: the name of a subdivision reflects what they don’t offer. And usually what they got rid of. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6006 "2023-01-18T23:38:24Z")
No, but it just further proves that there is an Xkcd for every situation. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6007 "2023-01-18T23:39:20Z")
True! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6008 "2023-01-19T00:09:04Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Seemed pretty much like a rule: the name of a subdivision reflects what they don’t offer. And usually what they got rid of. I used to live in the [Antelope Valley](https://digital-desert.com/antelope-valley/antelope-of-antelope-valley.html). ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6009 "2023-01-19T00:22:09Z")
We approved a subdivision name Elk Run. My boss (at the time) told them that they achieved that. Sure aren’t any elk there now. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2023, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6010 "2023-01-19T00:23:19Z")
I was very impressed, a few years ago, when I saw an “Oak Cliff Drive” in a nearby suburb, and there was in fact an oak tree growing right next to it, and the road did, indeed, end at a cliff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945.md?page=299) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945.md?page=301)