# Omnibus Stupid MFers in the news thread (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 31, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945 "2021-01-31T21:25:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 348
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6951 "2023-03-29T21:22:54Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > The trained emergency response is you immobilize potential spinal or neck injuries before moving them. So as to not risk making it worse, paralyzing or killing the victim. It doesn’t take an EMT to know this. At all times? In every circumstance? No matter what? That’s bullshit. If this was a burning house and a person was injured would you carefully immobilize someone? No, that’s stupid, you would just be sure to carefully not cause spinal injury as you watch them die of smoke inhalation. So, establishing that your premise clearly is not an absolute, I repeat that I don’t know if this was a situation where the person needed to be moved immediately or not. If the risk of downed power lines or traffic was greater. I don’t know and clearly neither do you. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6952 "2023-03-29T21:23:32Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > You’re arguing with one guy as far as I can tell. I guarantee you that @Dandan is not my sock, nor is @crowmanyclouds or anyone else not immediately on the “excessive force” bandwagon. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6953 "2023-03-29T22:01:12Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > That’s bullshit. If this was a burning house and a person was injured would you carefully immobilize someone? No, that’s stupid, you would just be sure to carefully not cause spinal injury as you watch them die of smoke inhalation. You don’t argue for a reason, you just argue. Was the road on fire? Did the power lines ever fall down? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6954 "2023-03-29T22:13:37Z")
Ignoring what happened after the guy bounced on his head down the road… I would have a wild guess that this guy was so out of it, mentally or chemically that he literally thought the car was stopped, and then tried to step out. I mean, he just casually stepped out like he thought he was going to just walk away. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6955 "2023-03-29T23:02:25Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Was the road on fire? Did the power lines ever fall down? Whether or not they fell is irrelevant. What’s relevant is that they were concerned it could happen. Assuming that was a legit concern, I’d have no problem with him being dragged. I don’t see that as any different than dragging someone, even with a possible neck/spine injury, out of a car after a chase if they noticed it was on fire. It would be equally irrelevant whether or not the fire spread to the point that the suspect would be burned, just that the potential was there. Plus, it’s better for everyone (the suspect, the police, EMTs, FD etc) to get him out of that area before there’s a problem rather than waiting to see if they actually fall and find yourself having to wait for the utility company to get someone out there to de-energize the lines. As for whether or not the lines fell, I don’t know, but if you watch the video, it’s not that he hit the pole, he broke it. All the weight of the pole, or at least the part above ground, is now hanging from the wires. And, it does look like they’re genuinely trying to get him out of the way, not rough him up. Honestly, if they wanted revenge, they’d be better off leaving him where he was. No one would think twice if they said they left him there for his own safety (possible spine injuries) and theirs (the overhead wires), until EMTs, FD and possibly the utility company arrived on the scene. They’re the ones trained for this. Meanwhile, they’d be using it as an excuse not to provide rescue services, possibly meaning he died when he could have been saved. Ask yourself this. Imagine that was you. You jumped\* out of a moving car, hit your head like that, but somehow you survived it and you didn’t do any spine/neck damage. Would you rather the police dragged you away, risking paralysis or leave you there, un-paralyzed, but with electric lines operating at 10’s or 100’s of thousands of volts, ready to find a path to ground, through you. IOW, possible paralysis or guaranteed death. \*Doesn’t even have to be that you jumped, I’m not implying you were running from the police. We could even change that to “Imagine you got hit by a car going 60mph” and the car hit the pole. You want the cops to drag you out of the way or leave you? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6956 "2023-03-29T23:21:08Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > You don’t argue for a reason, you just argue. You’re the one not using reason here. You’re just ignorantly assigning blame without facts. > [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Was the road on fire? Did the power lines ever fall down? Of course the road wasn’t on fire. I used an example of when clearly you don’t immediately immobilize an injured person to show how stupid your statement was. As far as whether the power lines came down, I don’t know. Do you? Of course not. Do you know they couldn’t have? Of course not. Which was my whole point. Neither of us know. Of course there should be an investigation, this was a high speed chase that led to a loss of life. Maybe facts will come out now. You jumping in and casting judgement is ridiculous. You accuse me of “arguing to argue”. No, I’m explaining that you’re playing armchair quarterback and pointing out how foolish that is. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6957 "2023-03-29T23:25:51Z")
If the power lines had come down why am I certain someone would be complaining that the cops should have pulled him to safety as quickly as possible? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6958 "2023-03-29T23:47:28Z")
> [@Dandan](#): > > Is he really, actually, finally dead? Do we have official word about that? Yep. Died at hospital. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6959 "2023-03-29T23:57:57Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I mean, he just casually stepped out like he thought he was going to just walk away. I watched it again, and yeah, he looked quite relaxed sidling out of that thing. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6960 "2023-03-30T00:55:34Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Yep. Died at hospital. Almost certainly already dead when the cops first laid hands on him. The fact that he was declared dead at the hospital doesn’t mean much-- there are very limited circumstances under which anyone but a doctor can declare someone dead, and so he was declared dead as soon as a doctor saw him. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6961 "2023-03-30T01:24:06Z")
Principal sends school money to “Elon Musk” his Internet buddy > **['I fell for it': Florida principal resigns after sending $100K to scammer...](https://abc7chicago.com/fake-elon-musk-jan-mcgee-principal-burns-science-and-technology-charter-school-scam/13044937/)** > > For years, the principal talked to anyone who would listen about getting Musk and his money involved in the STEM school, a stone's throw from the Space Coast, and apparently thought she'd finally gotten his ear. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6962 "2023-03-30T03:10:47Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > The trained emergency response is you immobilize potential spinal or neck injuries before moving them. So as to not risk making it worse, paralyzing or killing the victim. It doesn’t take an EMT to know this When I was being taught basic wilderness first aid at the National Outdoor Leadership School, the first question we were taught to ask was, “Is the scene safe?”; that is, can whatever hurt the victim also hurt me? If the answer is “yes”, you either wait until it’s safe to approach, or you get the victim out of danger as quickly as possible, and that means risking further injury if the alternative is death. We’ve seen enough police videos to know that cops can be abusive, but given that the only evidence we have is a video shot from a traffic copter, I don’t think we can say for certain if the cops were being thuggish assholes, or were trying to protect the injured man, as well as themselves, from further, potentially lethal injuries. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6963 "2023-03-30T05:10:24Z")
I’m not sure it belongs here since it appears to be someone saying “I was wrong, I’ll leave”. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6964 "2023-03-30T06:57:17Z")
EX lawyer loses case for recompense from man wrongly accused and released from gaol. Story in brief: an Australian lawyer who represented a man accused of murder who was gaoled for 20 years and then released upon discovery of further evidence tried to SUE the man for the ex-gratia payment he received from the government for his wrongful imprisonment. After the initial conviction, the accused hired another legal team to represent him. The first lawyer not only lost his case for payment, but was also made to pay the legal costs of the man he stupidly chose to sue. [Sometimes lawyers ought to just shut up!](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/henry-keogh-former-lawyer-loses-legal-fees-dispute/102156490) ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2023, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6965 "2023-04-01T01:23:35Z")
Guy runs out on the field of Dodger Statium during pre-game warmups to propose to his girlfriend. Security has a contrary opinion. > **[Dodgers fan runs onto field to propose, gets pummeled by security](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/dodgers-fan-rushes-field-to-propose-to-girlfriend-gets-pummeled-by-security/)** > > A Los Angeles Dodgers fan’s romantic marriage proposal on Opening Day came at a painful price. Cell phone cameras were rolling as a man wearing a Mookie Betts jersey ran onto the field during a bre… She said yes. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2023, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6966 "2023-04-01T01:31:51Z")
A little girl wanted to choose Bessie Coleman as her hero for a project. [Her teacher said no](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAU6JffF9QQ). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2023, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6967 "2023-04-01T03:06:25Z")
What the actual f\_\_\_? I’m an old White guy, and I think Bessie Coleman was a hero! I note her birthday every January. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2023, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6968 "2023-04-01T04:41:30Z")
Truly. The assignment was _her_ hero, not somebody the teacher had heard of. Sidenote: I was wondering what was going on with her mother’s left eye until she moved and turned out to be the ring light on the camera. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2023, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6969 "2023-04-01T06:54:05Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Sidenote: I was wondering what was going on with her mother’s left eye until she moved and turned out to be the ring light on the camera. Aww… I thought her mom was _also_ a hero because she was a cyborg who fought criminals in the sky for the FAA, but now I think you’re right. 🙁 ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2023, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/6970 "2023-04-01T07:54:58Z")
It’s odd they didn’t specify the school, but perhaps the family didn’t want the publicity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945.md?page=347) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945.md?page=349)