# Omnibus Stupid MFers in the news thread (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 31, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945 "2021-01-31T21:25:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 442
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8831 "2023-09-15T16:32:08Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Freedom Convoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186) organizers have been in court, painting [their occupation of Ottawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/145) as entirely peaceful. > [@Hamlet](#): > > Hey! Look at all these banks I didn’t rob!!! Didn’t Trump or someone else use _exactly_ that same defense? They essentially offered up a bunch of women they didn’t assault as proof that they hadn’t assaulted anyone ever? Basically “Ask any of my staffers, I’ve never raped any of them”. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8832 "2023-09-18T12:15:21Z")
The day the music 🎵 died The marching band [refused to yield](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/alabama-high-school-band-director-stunned-arrested-after-103263400). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8833 "2023-09-18T16:45:22Z")
John Phillips Taza ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8834 "2023-09-18T19:22:17Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The day the music 🎵 died There’s a thread on this topic. [The players tried to leave the field, the marching band refused to yield, what details have been concealed, the way they tased this guy? - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-players-tried-to-leave-the-field-the-marching-band-refused-to-yield-what-details-have-been-concealed-the-way-they-tased-this-guy/990216/40) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8835 "2023-09-27T17:17:03Z")
A “Youtube star” f’d a, f o. > **[YouTube creator testifies in trial of man accused of shooting him at Dulles...](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/prank-youtuber-testifies-against-man-accused-of-shooting-him-dulles-town-center-tanner-cook-alan-colie-classified-goons/65-c286412a-459d-45f5-9254-4092146c131d)** > > Tanner Cook was in the mall filming a prank video for his YouTube page when he was shot. Police say the gunman was at the mall picking up a food order for DoorDash. This should never have resulted in charges. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8836 "2023-09-27T17:29:31Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > This should never have resulted in charges. Why not? I was ready to say the same thing, but after reading the article, I can’t say I agree. He used lethal force against someone who played an audio clip too loudly/closely. Had the youtuber lunged at him with a plastic knife to get a reaction, I’d could see an argument for using a gun, but he played an audio clip. Unless there’s more to the story that I’m missing, I think the stupid motherfucker is the guy with the gun. He also apparently told him to stop multiple times and threatened to call the police. I have to assume that gave him more than enough time to understand that the guy was being obnoxious, but wasn’t going to physically harm him and self-defense wasn’t necessary. WAG, the gunman is hot tempered to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8837 "2023-09-27T17:30:11Z")
Charge them both, why not? I’m sure that Cook was guilty of something. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8838 "2023-09-27T17:41:36Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Why not? I was ready to say the same thing, but after reading the article, I can’t say I agree. He used lethal force against someone who played an audio clip too loudly/closely. Some large stranger, possibly insane, possibly violent, pushing themselves into your face and playing gibberish loudly in your ear out of the blue and refusing to stop? Thinking you were under the possible threat of violence and proactively defending yourself is a perfectly rational and justifiable response. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8839 "2023-09-27T17:43:27Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > This should never have resulted in charges. I am also surprised at this reaction. I think self-defense usually has a ‘reasonable person’ standard. Would a reasonable person have perceived this as a bodily threat? That sounds like a big lift for the defense and charges seem very appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8840 "2023-09-27T17:44:01Z")
I think calling the police would be a reasonable and justifiable response. Shooting someone seems like an unnecessary escalation. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8841 "2023-09-27T17:45:18Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > Would a reasonable person have perceived this as a bodily threat? Absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8842 "2023-09-27T17:57:34Z")
I may think shooting is an over reaction, but them I’m almost as large as the punk ass dude that FAFO’d. The threat doesn’t seem as imminent to me. (of course, he’d probably never try to punk me, so there’s that) Given that, if George Zimmerman can be acquitted then maybe this case was a “reasonable escalation”, legally. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8843 "2023-09-27T18:02:03Z")
Completely different circumstances. The victim is white. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8844 "2023-09-27T18:05:20Z")
Zimmerman testified that he was attacked and his head smashed on the ground before he used his weapon. Many people straight up didn’t believe him, but legally that didn’t matter because there wasn’t actually any evidence to show him a liar. This guy, there is evidence. The video shows exactly what happened, and he was not touched or threatened. There really doesn’t seem to be any dispute over the facts here. The trial will turn on whether his fear was reasonable. I will be shocked if it is found to be so. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8845 "2023-09-27T18:10:30Z")
Is repeatedly shoving a cell phone in Someone face and playing gibberish assault? I believe it is. A reasonable response would be to assume the person doing this is imbalanced, and it could escalate. IMHO, a reasonable response would be to leave immediately. Best way to de-escalate is to leave. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8846 "2023-09-27T18:17:15Z")
To be fair, apparently he tried. From the article: > The interaction, which only lasted about 10 seconds, included Cook playing the phrase four times as Colie backed away. We don’t seem to have the original video from Cook, so it’s hard to say, but it sounds like Colie pursued him. > “Why didn’t you stop?” asked the defense. > “Because there was no reaction,” answered Cook. > “You mean there was no reaction funny enough to be in your video?” > “Yes.” Without the video we don’t know whether Cook was chasing him at a run, backing him into a corner, or anything else that might support Colie’s claim he felt threatened. But given the description we do have it sounds like tried to get away, then decided he was still under threat. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8847 "2023-09-27T18:31:32Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Why not? I was ready to say the same thing, but after reading the article, I can’t say I agree. He used lethal force against someone who played an audio clip too loudly/closely. > Had the youtuber lunged at him with a plastic knife to get a reaction, I’d could see an argument for using a gun, but he played an audio clip. Exactly. Pulling out the gun was overkill. The prankster’s obnoxious behavior did not justify a potentially lethal response. Now, if some YouTuber dressed up like a doctor, snuck into Cook’s hospital room, told him the wound had turned septic, they’d have to remove part of his colon and he’d probably wear a colostomy bag for the rest of his life, then uploaded the resulting video to YouTube; now _that_ would be satisfyingly appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8848 "2023-09-27T18:36:05Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Exactly. Pulling out the gun was overkill. The prankster’s obnoxious behavior did not justify a potentially lethal response. This requires that he was aware this was a “prank” and not a raving lunatic. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8849 "2023-09-27T18:37:33Z")
Pull out the gun and show it to him? Maybe appropriate. Shoot him? No. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/8850 "2023-09-27T18:40:01Z")
Plenty enough wrongness to go around in that story. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945.md?page=441) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945.md?page=443)