# Omnibus Stupid MFers in the news thread (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 31, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945 "2021-01-31T21:25:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 481
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9611 "2023-12-02T02:55:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Damn, I miss _Almost Live!_ Be like Billy! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9612 "2023-12-02T03:24:22Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Be like Billy! It’s the Pit so I won’t behave myself. As for stupid MFers: > **[Thurston County candidate who didn't vote for himself loses by 1 vote](https://www.king5.com/amp/article/news/local/candidate-didnt-vote-for-himself-loses-by-one-vote/281-b3c8d482-0336-4a27-b516-7e495074c52c)** > > Damion Green lost the Rainier City Council vote 247 to 246. You know, they say turnout is important… ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9613 "2023-12-02T04:04:52Z")
Local elections, at least the ones that aren’t landslides, sometimes do come down to only a couple of votes. My district elected somebody new to the county legislature – by two votes. Mine was one of them. Glad I showed up. ---
**Author:** ![InternetLegend](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/internetlegend/32/13154_2.png) [@InternetLegend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InternetLegend)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9614 "2023-12-02T05:29:13Z")
He says he didn’t vote for himself because he “thought it was kind of narcissistic.” Man, if I thought my preferred candidate wasn’t competitive enough to vote for himself, I sure wouldn’t vote for him either! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9615 "2023-12-02T06:06:19Z")
I can actually respect that. I’ve been to events like car shows where I had the chance to vote for myself, and didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![InternetLegend](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/internetlegend/32/13154_2.png) [@InternetLegend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InternetLegend)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9616 "2023-12-02T16:27:41Z")
Sure, but it’s one thing to be self-effacing when you’re showing something you’ve worked on. When you’re telling the public that you’re the best person to represent their interests for a period of years, not voting for yourself shows a lack of conviction. Maybe your opponent really is the better choice. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9617 "2023-12-02T16:44:15Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I’d be fine with an end to zero tolerance policies. They often end up punishing the victim Twenty three years ago my son stepped into a situation where two older boys were bullying a mentally challenged kid. This happened off of school grounds. My son had never been in a fight before, but somehow walked away without a scratch. The two older boys were beaten up. The boys’ parents complained to the school. My son got a 3 day suspension (as did the bullies) due to their zero tolerance policy for fighting. I took 3 days off from work and took my son to the zoo, fishing, and to an amusement park. I also made sure the school administrators knew what I’d done. The principal agreed with what I did but said her hands were tied. (My son now works in a prison in Florida. I wonder if he ever ran into the bullies there.) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9618 "2023-12-02T17:01:00Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > The principal agreed with what I did but said her hands were tied. They weren’t, of course. “I didn’t have a choice” is the common refrain of incompetent administrators everywhere. If you actually read the policies that were supposedly binding their hands, you’ll always, invariably, find that they did have a choice, and they just chose to take the easy option. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9619 "2023-12-02T17:36:02Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > They weren’t, of course. “I didn’t have a choice” is the common refrain of incompetent administrators everywhere. These were a few of the links I got when I googled ‘school fighting policy handbook’. At least the way I’m reading it, if you’re fighting with someone, regardless of who started it, you’re going to be in trouble. It seems to me, an admin’s hands would be tied, at least without getting the school board involved. [https://www.duplinschools.net/Page/24484](https://www.duplinschools.net/Page/24484) Regarding (on campus) fights > 1st offense: up to 10 day suspension + law enforcement notified + parent contact > Students who do not fight back will not be subject to punishment. > **[Fighting - Rockwood School District](https://www.rsdmo.org/learn/student-handbook/fighting)** > > Fighting - Rockwood School District > Fighting is defined as mutual combat in which both parties have contributed to the conflict by physical action. > Never should additional persons enter a fight. If this happens, the additional persons entering the fight will be suspended out-of-school [https://www.wcs.edu/domain/1454](https://www.wcs.edu/domain/1454) > Regardless of who starts the fight or verbal dispute, all participants should be prepared to face consequences as outlined below. ETA, I’m not saying I agree or disagree with these policies, just pointing out that they exist. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9620 "2023-12-02T17:38:05Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Twenty three years ago my son stepped into a situation where two older boys were bullying a mentally challenged kid. This happened off of school grounds. My son had never been in a fight before, but somehow walked away without a scratch. The two older boys were beaten up. I know I was raised weirdly, but I was told to fight my bullies. Never to throw the first punch but always to stand up for myself. Once I was actually encouraged to put down a much older neighborhood bully, and my parents brought out lawn chairs and supervised the fight (which was mostly a nonstarter, but I did get punched in the face and she went home limping, and most importantly, she _left me the fuck alone_ after that.) It pisses me off that kids are expected to tolerate abuse with no recourse. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9621 "2023-12-02T17:39:50Z")
“Students who do not fight back will not be subject to punishment.” I’m not much of a fighter but that sounds like bullshit. So to avoid punishment, the victim should just pretend that they are a punching bag? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9622 "2023-12-02T17:41:10Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > “Students who do not fight back will not be subject to punishment.” > > I’m not much of a fighter but that sounds like bullshit. So to avoid punishment, the victim should just pretend that they are a punching bag? - Where does pretend come into it? They _are_ a punching bag. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9623 "2023-12-02T17:41:29Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’m not much of a fighter but that sounds like bullshit. I’d be tempted to see what the person who wrote that would do if I walked up, shoved them, then started throwing punches. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9624 "2023-12-02T17:57:43Z")
It sounds like the school is advocating Gandhian principles of non violence. That’s actually kind of progressive. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9625 "2023-12-02T18:45:13Z")
The school with the “don’t fight back” policy quoted upthread is Wallace-Rose Hill High School in Teachey, NC. And the same policy goes on to say, “There is a **ZERO-TOLERANCE POLICY** for any violence at Wallace-Rose Hill High School.” And yet the high school has a football team that won state championships in 1994, 2009, 2010, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 and a JROTC program. Are they planning to cancel those as well? (Not that I’d have a problem with that but I suspect doing so would be unpopular with the residents of the district.) ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9626 "2023-12-02T18:56:48Z")
Have any here read the Nantucket trilogy by Stirling? Fiction of course. But one of my favorite small scenes is when a woman speaks about how she told her two young adopted daughters to react if they were bullied about their mothers. They were a same sex couple. She told them to gang up on the bully and beat the snot out of them, and if anyone objected “come to ME about it” Sne was an important military official in their displaced community and nobody would mess with her. That’s what bullies deserve. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9627 "2023-12-02T18:57:40Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > “Students who do not fight back will not be subject to punishment.” > > I’m not much of a fighter but that sounds like bullshit. So to avoid punishment, the victim should just pretend that they are a punching bag? [![](https://y.yarn.co/d02e9397-108a-42f5-a417-00700bf95898_text.gif) ](https://y.yarn.co/d02e9397-108a-42f5-a417-00700bf95898_text.gif) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9628 "2023-12-02T19:11:05Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > It pisses me off that kids are expected to tolerate abuse with no recourse. Gawd, this was probably 1972. Jr. High. I was one of the tallest guys in school. Had never fought in my life. Some new kid started to pick on me. I towered over this kid. I had no idea why, had never shared a word with him. It was very confusing for my 12 yo self. He called my mother names. I assume that he wanted to make some sort of ‘status’ for himself by scaring me. I just walked away. Again, and again. I did want to wring his neck though. He was soon expelled. They found a .45 in his locker. I think he had some serious emotional problems. If I had reacted, the kid might have blown me away. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9629 "2023-12-02T19:51:18Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > When The Clapper just isn’t enough. > > Funny you should mention that. Great skit. But at the end I was surprised to see my Mardi Gras poster on the wall of the living room set. Cool. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945/9630 "2023-12-02T21:23:51Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Once I was actually encouraged to put down a much older neighborhood bully, and my parents brought out lawn chairs and supervised the fight 1. Put down? Were you fighting a dog? 2. This sounds like some kind of child fight club. Which I’m not opposed to, mind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945.md?page=480) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-1/931945.md?page=482)