# Omnibus Stupid MFers in the news thread (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657 "2024-01-05T16:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/221 "2024-02-02T18:11:39Z")
> [@Dogginit](#): > > Not really sure how they can call themselves this and maintain a straight face. It _has_ been labeled an extremist hate group. > **[Moms for Liberty among conservative groups named 'extremist' by civil rights...](https://www.npr.org/2023/06/07/1180486760/splc-moms-for-liberty-extremist-group)** > > As the influence of Moms for Liberty grows in some school districts and conservative political circles, the SPLC compares the group's agenda to segregationist efforts of an earlier era. > [@tofor](#): > > No they are not. What the fuck is wrong with you that you are literally defending a hate group? Actual experts call them book bans. The only reason to disagree is because you support their bigotry. You should be ashamed, seriously. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/222 "2024-02-02T18:11:57Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > They are not free to tell everybody else’s parents that their children can’t have access to that book. > > They are not telling anybody that. They are only asking for it to not be available in the school library. That isn’t even remotely the same thing. For a lot of kids, it unfortunately is the same thing. There are people who can’t afford to buy books. There are people who don’t have time in their schedules to take their children to the public library [ETA: which in many areas has limited hours, and in some areas is hard for many families to get to.] There are people who don’t have internet access at home and/or who want their five year olds to read physical books, not only float around online. The first three of those four maybe shouldn’t be so, but they are. > [@tofor](#): > > So this mother doesn’t want the subject to come up _when she is not there to discuss it_. That is a somewhat kinder reading. But why, if she’s worried about it, hasn’t she then discussed it at home? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/223 "2024-02-02T18:16:26Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > They are not free to tell everybody else’s parents that their children can’t have access to that book. > > They are not telling anybody that. They are only asking for it to not be available in the school library. That isn’t even remotely the same thing. In other words… banning. > [@tofor](#): > > > [@eschereal](#): > > > > Mom’s for Liberty is promoting book bans. > > No they are not. Please make up your mind. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/224 "2024-02-02T18:16:42Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > But why, if she’s worried about it, hasn’t she then discussed it at home? Not that there isn’t a long history of ‘I want to teach my children about _that_ at home!’ . . . which, of course, translates as ‘I don’t want my children to ever learn about _that_!’ _That_ being, almost exclusively related to matters that touch on, sexuality. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/225 "2024-02-02T18:17:51Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > They are not telling anybody that. They are only asking for it to not be available in the school library. That isn’t even remotely the same thing. And yet they seem really concerned about a bill that would make that illegal. > **[Why We Fight | M4L National - USA |](https://portal.momsforliberty.org/chapter/tazewell-county-il/why_we_fight/)** > > Why We Fight - Moms for Liberty of Tazewell County is dedicated to the survival of America by unifying, educating and empowering parents to defend their parental rights at all levels of government.Our county includes many well meaning people who... > Illinois just enacted another egregious bill, forcing compliance with the threat of defunding school libraries that dare defy the law. ILHB2789 has now been signed by Governor Pritzker with implementation set for January 2024. Now renamed as Public Act 103-0100 ([Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of Public Act 103-0100](https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=103-0100)), this law will prohibit the practice of banning specific books or resources because of partisan or doctrinal disapproval. The act goes on to state “libraries and library governing bodies should not use rating systems to inhibit a minor’s access to materials”. And if the law goes through, they consider it to be an > inadvertent guarantee that we can place Christian books, Bibles, patriotic books, etc. in public school libraries. What an irony for a bill that has full intentions of flooding school libraries with inappropriate books. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/226 "2024-02-02T18:24:58Z")
The irony here is that those in favor of letting one extremist parent have absolute veto power over what books everyone else’s kids have access to at school, is that those same people would shit bricks and totally lose it if another parent tried to make decisions for _their_ child. Also, I’m not even sure that the people filing objections to books under these laws even have kids, or have kids at the school they are targeting. I saw a stat that one woman was responsible for the majority of book challenges in Florida. The underlying motivation here is that right wing extremists think that schools are making kids liberal, rather than the reality they are growing up in, so they think banning access to books that feature lgbtq characters, or books that have anything to do with racism, or the holocaust, or any accurate history, will stop this indoctrination, when the reality is that they just want kids to become reactionary bigots like them. In other words, indoctrination. That’s what it is about. The rest of the “debate” is just a back and forth about the meaning of the word “ban”. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/227 "2024-02-02T20:04:50Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > > [@tofor](#): > > > > > [@eschereal](#): > > > > > > Mom’s for Liberty is promoting book bans. > > > > No they are not. > > Please make up your mind. I believe that tofor’s position seems to be that the book can be obtained elewhere, so it is not _literally_ being banned. MfL is not (yet) advocating 451°F for it. Sendak is a celebrated author whose books have been in the hands of children for more than half a century. Suddenly finding his work objectionable is more offensive (to me) than a few penis-shaped images in their pages. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/228 "2024-02-02T20:09:40Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > Yes, I’ve heard of art, and children both. So? Would you like a fainting couch in case you hear that everyone is naked under their clothes? Would you like to make sure that indecent table legs are properly covered, lest children see them? Do you think fiddles were created by Satan to induce people to commit the sin of dancing? In short, are you a throwback to the 1800’s? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/229 "2024-02-02T20:11:44Z")
> **[Moms for Liberty | Book banning efforts](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moms_for_Liberty&useskin=vector#Book_banning_efforts)** > > According to The Daily Beast, a spreadsheet accompanying the Williamson County letter of complaint contained several other stated concerns about the county's curriculum. An article about police brutality against civil rights demonstrators in the 1960s was criticized for its "negative view of Firemen and police." A fictional account of the American Civil War used with fifth-graders was deemed unsuitable because of its depictions of "out of marriage families between white men and black women".\[ In ... > In December 2021, the [Wake County, North Carolina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_County,_North_Carolina) chapter filed a criminal complaint against the [Wake County Public School System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_County_Public_School_System) over the books [_Lawn Boy_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawn_Boy_(Evison_novel)), _[Gender Queer: a Memoir](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Queer:_a_Memoir)_, and [_George_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_(novel)). > According to [WFTS-TV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WFTS-TV), as of December 2021, “several schools” had removed books from shelves due to the efforts of various Moms for Liberty chapters > In 2023, the Miami-Dade chapter of Moms for Liberty claimed credit for the removal of _[The Hill We Climb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hill_We_Climb)_ from a school library; the book was an adaptation of the poem of the same name by poet [Amanda Gorman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Gorman).[[50]](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moms_for_Liberty&useskin=vector#cite_note-ViceChaptersInvestigation-50) The activist whose complaint prompted the removal of the poetry also has links to the Proud Boys ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/230 "2024-02-02T20:20:49Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > The parents are free to tell their children to choose another book. > > That’s not how school libraries work. That’s how parenting works. Your child comes home from school and you say “how was your day?” and they say “I saw something funny in a book.” And then you tackle this nothing burger like a parent. > [@tofor](#): > > They are only asking for it to not be available in the school library. **That’s** not how libraries work. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/231 "2024-02-02T20:42:10Z")
I’m gonna hijack the school library thread (My mother told the librarians I could borrow anything I wanted and she would decide what was and was not appropriate.) with a People of Walmart story: Two supposedly grown ass men got into a food fight in the grocery section of the Bullhead City Walmart. > **[Man injured at Arizona Walmart as argument escalates into food fight](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2024/02/02/1-injured-in-food-fight-at-arizona-walmart/72450546007/)** > > Bullhead City police said an argument between two men escalated until onions and glass jars were used as weapons at Walmart. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/232 "2024-02-02T20:52:37Z")
I worked in retail for years. Someone working in retail under such awful conditions for such little pay should not have to deal with that bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/233 "2024-02-02T22:25:18Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > That’s not how school libraries work. So, libraries _force_ children to take home books? Huh, I did not know that. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/234 "2024-02-02T22:30:53Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > Jesus fucking wept. [/quote] He’s probably at the slitting his own fucking wrists stage by now. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/235 "2024-02-02T23:06:55Z")
> A fictional account of the American Civil War used with fifth-graders was deemed unsuitable because of its depictions of “out of marriage families between white men and black women” I think it’s indeed unsuitable to describe rape in that fashion. But I’m afraid that I doubt that’s what they meant. (Yes, I know it wasn’t always rape. But a lot of the time it certainly was.) ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/236 "2024-02-03T02:01:32Z")
What sort of fool brings an onion to a glass jar fight? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/237 "2024-02-03T02:05:24Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > What sort of fool brings an onion to a glass jar fight? Grandpa Simpson in 1930? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/238 "2024-02-03T04:46:50Z")
Aha! The fight started over some whippersnapper trying to tie a purple onion to their belt. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/239 "2024-02-03T08:14:30Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Yes, I know it wasn’t always rape. But a lot of the time it certainly was. “I’m just a girl who cain’t say no” literally. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/240 "2024-02-03T09:21:37Z")
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