# Omnibus Stupid MFers in the news thread (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657 "2024-01-05T16:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 120
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2381 "2024-08-24T14:47:12Z")
Errors = manslaughter? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2382 "2024-08-24T14:55:13Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Errors = manslaughter? If it is part of your duties, and you have a responsibility for the safety and well-being of the people under your care, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2383 "2024-08-24T14:55:32Z")
> Involuntary manslaughter is the killing of a human being without [intent](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intention_(criminal_law)) of doing so, either expressed or implied. It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention. It is normally divided into two categories, constructive manslaughter and criminally negligent manslaughter. From > **[Manslaughter](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter)** > > Note: Varies by jurisdiction > Note: Varies by jurisdiction > Manslaughter is a common law legal term for homicide considered by law as less culpable than murder. The distinction between murder and manslaughter is sometimes said to have first been made by the ancient Athenian lawmaker Draco in the 7th century BC. > The definition of manslaughter differs among legal jurisdictions. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2384 "2024-08-24T15:07:24Z")
You don’t think Italian authorities are a bit too eager to hang murder/manslaughter charges on people, especially when authorities admit they only have “possibilities for culpability”? Should those Italian scientists have been imprisoned for manslaughter for “negligence” in failing to predict an earthquake? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2385 "2024-08-24T16:04:38Z")
Maybe Jupiter and Neptune (not the planets, the gods) were roughhousing). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2386 "2024-08-24T16:16:43Z")
I think that the idea is, if all of the crew did their jobs correctly, the yacht and its passengers would have survived. They didn’t, and someone’s to blame for that. But it’s not immediately clear whose screw-ups resulted in the bad actions taken. If one member of the crew is responsible for monitoring the weather forecasts, and they told everyone else “Clear skies”, then that crew member is at fault, but the others (who acted in a way reasonable given the information they had) are not. On the other hand, if that guy said “There’s a tornado in the area, we’d best do this, this, and this if we want to survive”, and the people he told replied “Eh, we’ll get through it, don’t be such a wimp”, then that’s on those other folks. Likewise, if the helmsman steered the wrong course, was that because the captain told him the wrong course, or because the captain told him right, and the helmsman disobeyed orders? It’s a lot easier to determine “There was a problem somewhere”, than to determine where precisely that problem was. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2387 "2024-08-24T16:36:07Z")
[Here’s a case of manslaughter from an incident five years ago.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#Legal_action) > A criminal investigation against the captain was carried out in summer 2020.[[80]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-AP-2020-10-20-80)[[100]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-100) In December 2020, the [United States Attorney](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney)’s office for the [Central District of California](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_District_Court_for_the_Central_District_of_California#United_States_Attorney_for_the_Central_District_of_California) announced the captain of the Conception had been indicted by a federal grand jury for 34 counts of [seaman’s manslaughter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaman%27s_Manslaughter_Statute);[[101]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-101) the text of the indictment stated that the captain was responsible for the disaster “by his misconduct, negligence, and inattention to his duties”.[[102]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-102)[[103]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-103)[[104]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-104) He pleaded not guilty to the charges in February 2021.[[105]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-105) In August 2022, the judge dismissed his indictment as defective [without prejudice](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Without_prejudice) because prosecutors used _[negligence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligence)_ instead of _[gross negligence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_negligence)_ in their presentation to the grand jury.[[106]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-106) A new indictment was issued on October 18, 2022.[[107]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-107) On November 6, 2023, the captain, Jerry Nehl Boylan, was found guilty of one count of misconduct or neglect of ship officer, colloquially known as “seaman’s manslaughter”. Boylan was freed on $75,000 bond before being sentenced on May 2, 2024, to four years in prison followed by three years of supervised release for his criminal negligence.[[108]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-108)[[109]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-109)[[110]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_MV_Conception#cite_note-110) I dove off of that boat once or twice. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2388 "2024-08-24T22:43:49Z")
This is clearly a case of a different set of rules for the rich. The authorities are only going after the crew because a billionaire died. If ordinary people like you or I were out on our super yacht and this happened… ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2389 "2024-08-25T00:05:14Z")
And yet, right above your post @Johnny_L.A linked to the five-year-old case of the dive boat that caught fire and sank off the California coast, with 34 people dead as a result. I don’t think _any_ of the victims were billionaires. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2024, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2390 "2024-08-25T03:37:55Z")
(Pssst… Read the last line of my post a little more carefully.) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2391 "2024-08-25T22:47:37Z")
Subtlety is a thing that by definition does not work with everyone. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2392 "2024-08-31T15:11:53Z")
To be clear, the stupid one is the ranger who wrote the ticket, not the performer. [A street performer blew bubbles in a park. Officials cited him for littering.](https://wapo.st/3X9Wy8N) ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2393 "2024-09-02T21:00:44Z")
Check fraud as a viral “life hack” > **[Viral ‘Chase Bank ATM Glitch’ promised free cash - but might land people in jail](https://www.yahoo.com/news/viral-chase-bank-glitch-promised-175312943.html)** > > The TikTok trend encouraged people to commit check fraud, to disastrous results > In reality, Chase really did have a glitch allowing the exploitation of its ATMs, but the company fixed the problem within days of its discovery, according to a representative who spoke to the [_New York Post_](https://nypost.com/2024/09/01/us-news/tiktok-chase-bank-glitch-shows-people-trying-to-exploit-atms/). > > “We are aware of this incident, and it has been addressed. Regardless of what you see online, depositing a fraudulent check and withdrawing the funds from your account is fraud, plain and simple,” the spokesperson said. > > Before the fix, some social media users shared videos where they pulled money from the ATMs and celebrated. Some customers were filmed “making it rain” with their ill-gotten gains outside a Yonkers Chase Bank ATM. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2394 "2024-09-03T00:30:04Z")
Ah, I miss the viral life. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2395 "2024-09-03T01:11:05Z")
Penicillin is a wonderful drug. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2396 "2024-09-03T01:24:35Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Penicillin is a wonderful drug. - Virus Alert: Antibiotics only work on microbes. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2397 "2024-09-03T01:31:31Z")
Sure. Go ahead and fuck up a perfectly good joke with facts and logic. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2398 "2024-09-03T01:33:51Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Sure. Go ahead and fuck up a perfectly good joke with facts and logic. - Read it again, O Fan of Al. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2399 "2024-09-03T01:36:02Z")
Penis illin’? Penicillin! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/2400 "2024-09-03T01:38:23Z")
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