# Omnibus Stupid MFers in the news thread (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657 "2024-01-05T16:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 152
**Author:** ![Jumpbass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jumpbass/32/147_2.png) [@Jumpbass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jumpbass)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3021 "2024-12-08T20:37:33Z")
My kids would ask me, “What is the movie about?”, and I’d tell them, “About 90 minutes.” ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3022 "2024-12-08T23:15:08Z")
That’s an old Dad joke, and I don’t miss it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3023 "2024-12-08T23:35:16Z")
> [@mnemosyne](#): > > I just typed “how to drive a car” into ChatGPT and got a longer response, at least. It covered braking and turning. Still a little too straightforward to be practical though. I mean, there’s not really any good textual answer to that question. The real world answer is to sit the kid in a car and say “Like this”. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3024 "2024-12-08T23:38:30Z")
So who wants to provide the three- or four-year-old we can use to test how well one can drive compared with an AI? ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3025 "2024-12-09T01:02:30Z")
Would you settle for eight? > **[8-year-old who drove to an Ohio Target in mom's SUV caught on dashcam video:...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/09/18/8-year-old-drives-to-target-dashcam-video/75275523007/)** > > Dashcam video released shows an 8-year-old girl driving herself in her mom's SUV from Bedford, Ohio to a Target in Bainbridge, Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3026 "2024-12-09T01:05:36Z")
I would except none of the AIs are up to the sophistication, intelligence and common sense of the typical eight-year-old. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3027 "2024-12-10T00:09:06Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > I think it’s pretty irresponsible of anyone to post that on any platform, including this one. And I think it’s a great illustration of “live by the sword,” (misinformation is free speech, there can’t be any standards for fear of who’d enforce them), “die by the sword” (howd’ya like **this** misinformation, still feel the same about non-enforcement?) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3028 "2024-12-10T00:47:40Z")
I 100% agree it should be broadcast on every available social media system. The more the better. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3029 "2024-12-10T06:34:29Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I would except none of the AIs are up to the sophistication, intelligence and common sense of the typical eight-year-old. Because, they are not “AIs” any more than a Commodore-64 was an “AI”. The programming tech is quite sophisticated, but it is desperately lacking. The most critical area is when something like a fully-automated system encounters an edge- or corner-case that has not been covered in its training: the typical response for the model is to improvise or to decide that the situation is not important, which results in things like vehicles running into overturned semi trailers because they cannot resolve what that thing is, or chatbots just making shit up because an answer is expected. The current generation of “AI” is nothing more than a glorified computer, but fiendishly harder to debug. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3030 "2024-12-10T07:21:01Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The current generation of “AI” is nothing more than a glorified computer, but fiendishly harder to debug. I like to describe them as “a chatbot with a search engine stapled to it”. “Chatbot” meaning “ELIZA” and “search engine” meaning Lycos circa 1996. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3031 "2024-12-10T07:27:49Z")
You know, it’s been awhile since the media has tried to blame violent crime on video games. It almost feels nostalgic at this point. > **['Extremely ironic': Suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO slaying played video game...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ironic-suspect-unitedhealthcare-slaying-played-video-game-killer-rcna183550)** > > A man who attended college with Luigi Mangione and was a member of the same Discord group said he was shocked when news broke on social media that Mangione had been taken into police custody. > [@](#): > > Luigi Mangione, [who](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/murder-charge-filed-unitedhealthcare-ceo-suspect-new-york-rcna182988) [was](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/murder-charge-filed-unitedhealthcare-ceo-suspect-new-york-rcna182988) [arrested and charged with murder](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/murder-charge-filed-unitedhealthcare-ceo-suspect-new-york-rcna182988) in the shooting death of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, once belonged to a group of Ivy League gamers who played assassins, a member of the group told NBC News. > > In the game, called “Among Us,” some players are secretly assigned to be killers in space who perform other tasks while trying to avoid suspicion from other players. > > Alejandro Romero, who attended the University of Pennsylvania with Mangione and was a member of the same Discord group, said he was shocked when news broke on social media that Mangione had been taken into police custody. > > “I just found it extremely ironic that, you know, we were in this game and there could actually be a true killer among us,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3032 "2024-12-10T14:26:33Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The most critical area is when something like a fully-automated system encounters an edge- or corner-case that has not been covered in its training: the typical response for the model is to improvise or to decide that the situation is not important, which results in things like vehicles running into overturned semi trailers because they cannot resolve what that thing is, or chatbots just making shit up because an answer is expected. Which isn’t that different from a human brain… ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3033 "2024-12-10T15:07:01Z")
Other than the amount of stuff that _is_ a “corner case”. I personally have never had to avoid running into an overturned semi. I’m not even 100% sure I’ve ever seen one in person, as opposed to pics of them. OTOH, I have great confidence I can recognize one, and given enough space and time for my slow human cognition, realize it is an obstacle to be avoided. These AIs may be able to handle (made up number) 99.9999% of driving situations. But with (WAG) 200 million drivers doing wacky shit out there every day, 99.9999% still leaves a very large amount of possible shit un-covered. So AIs driving surprisingly badly will continue to be an everyday occurrence. They’re working towards 99.9999999999%, but it’ll take awhile to get there. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3034 "2024-12-10T15:44:45Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You know, it’s been awhile since the media has tried to blame violent crime on video games. It almost feels nostalgic at this point. > > ['Extremely ironic': Suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO slaying played video game killer, friend recalls](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ironic-suspect-unitedhealthcare-slaying-played-video-game-killer-rcna183550) > > > [@](#): > > > > Luigi Mangione, [who](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/murder-charge-filed-unitedhealthcare-ceo-suspect-new-york-rcna182988) [was](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/murder-charge-filed-unitedhealthcare-ceo-suspect-new-york-rcna182988) [arrested and charged with murder](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/murder-charge-filed-unitedhealthcare-ceo-suspect-new-york-rcna182988) in the shooting death of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, once belonged to a group of Ivy League gamers who played assassins, a member of the group told NBC News. > > > > In the game, called “Among Us,” some players are secretly assigned to be killers in space who perform other tasks while trying to avoid suspicion from other players. > > > > Alejandro Romero, who attended the University of Pennsylvania with Mangione and was a member of the same Discord group, said he was shocked when news broke on social media that Mangione had been taken into police custody. > > > > “I just found it extremely ironic that, you know, we were in this game and there could actually be a true killer among us,” he said. Among us? Wow - talk about reaching. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3035 "2024-12-10T16:20:50Z")
That basic game premise/mechanic has existed in playground games forever; I’ve played it as Werewolf and Mafia. My son plays it today as “Imposter” with his friends at school. Ridiculous to blame it for contributing to a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3036 "2024-12-10T16:29:46Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The current generation of “AI” is nothing more than a glorified computer All future AIs will also be glorified computers. Kind of in the definition. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3037 "2024-12-10T16:44:44Z")
Hell, _we’re_ just glorified computers. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3038 "2024-12-10T16:47:53Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Among us? _If_ someone is implying that **this game** turned someone into a real life assassin… [![](https://cdn.mobygames.com/d6be2e9e-ac20-11ed-897b-02420a00012d.webp) ](https://cdn.mobygames.com/d6be2e9e-ac20-11ed-897b-02420a00012d.webp) …then someone is clearly desperate for a new spin on this story. I think there’s maybe a bit of irony, but no more than someone who likes to play tag who is killed in a high speed chase. Doesn’t seem to merit an actual news story. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3039 "2024-12-10T16:58:42Z")
Oh yeah - it definitely smelt of Slow News Day. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/3040 "2024-12-10T17:02:07Z")
This is a Tesla on autopilot. Clearly, if it fails to see the obstacle in time to slow down, it is out-driving the headlights – something which human drivers do, but they ought not. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/FeQPaWFyiPE/maxresdefault.jpg "Tesla Model 3 Autopilot Hits Deer") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeQPaWFyiPE) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657.md?page=151) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657.md?page=153)