# Omnibus Stupid MFers in the news thread (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657 "2024-01-05T16:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 204
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4061 "2025-03-06T22:59:14Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > But the idea that someone who agrees with a censure is no different than someone who will kill a bill on a particular issue? And based on that _alone_, you think they need to be primaried? This is MAGA-level insanity. The people you call “insane” have comsistently beaten us. If embracing “insanity” means getting control of all three branches of government, then call me Napoleon. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4062 "2025-03-06T23:02:16Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If embracing “insanity” means getting control of all three branches of government, then call me Napoleon. Okay, have fun over there then. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4063 "2025-03-06T23:04:31Z")
Going radical towards the right is popular under current conditions. Going radical towards the left is unpopular under current conditions. The lefter you go, the bigger you’ll lose. First you need to win the propaganda war. Then _after_ your ideas are popular, you can run on them and reasonably expect to win a fairly-run election. Otherwise you’re just the People’s Judean Front arguing with the People’s Front of Judea while the Romans are stepping on both group’s necks. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4064 "2025-03-06T23:09:27Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The lefter you go, the bigger you’ll lose. You say this right after an election that Democrats lost by tacking to the right. > [@](#): > > First you need to win the propaganda war. Then after your ideas are popular, you can run on them and reasonably expect to win a fairly-run election. If Democrats had waited until equal rights for black people were popular before passing the Civil Rights Act, we’d still have whites-only businesses all over the place. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4065 "2025-03-06T23:10:14Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The people you call “insane” have comsistently beaten us. ‘That hurts me.’ ~ Joe Biden ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4066 "2025-03-06T23:11:14Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Going radical towards the right is popular under current conditions. Going radical towards the left is unpopular under current conditions. I think you could argue that it’s trying to cling to the wishy-washy center that’s really unpopular. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4067 "2025-03-06T23:12:48Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > But the idea that someone who agrees with a censure is no different than someone who will kill a bill on a particular issue? And based on that _alone_, you think they need to be primaried? This is MAGA-level insanity. For fucks’ sake. I’m not literally arguing that all those people who I’ve never heard of should be primaried based on this one vote, but I strongly disagree with it, and it makes me suspect that if I looked into their voting records I’d find more serious things to dislike. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4068 "2025-03-06T23:12:56Z")
Would someone care to remind Smapti how many years it was between the Civil War and LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4069 "2025-03-06T23:13:40Z")
There’s no singular left. Which left are people supposed to go towards? Seems like there’s at least half a dozen options, and none of them especially popular, except somewhat as a vague collective that we label the Democratic Party for lack of a better way of describing a herd of bristly, often mutually antagonistic cats. The only thing they _can_ agree on is they all hate that one asshole more than they hate each other. Yes, I get there’s not technically a single ‘right’, either, but effectively it’s one man’s party. The few who can’t handle that have already left, and the rest have fallen in line. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4070 "2025-03-06T23:19:44Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > I’m not literally arguing that all those people who I’ve never heard of should be primaried based on this one vote, but I strongly disagree with it, and it makes me suspect that if I looked into their voting records I’d find more serious things to dislike. This is a sane and (IMHO) fair response. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4071 "2025-03-06T23:20:51Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Going radical towards the left is unpopular under current conditions. How could we tell? Nobody’s tried it. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4072 "2025-03-06T23:37:46Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Would someone care to remind Smapti how many years it was between the Civil War and LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act? Not sure what point you’re making. Black civil rights were always deeply unpopular among white people, until they got enacted and (many) whites saw the sky wasn’t falling. And the Democrats paid a massive political price for endorsing civil rights, losing five of the next six Presidential elections, several by massive margins. So it looks like the lesson to be drawn is that the Democrats should have either passed the CRA much earlier (since their timidity did them no favors, but merely delayed progress) or not at all. I suppose you could argue that, given enough time, whites would have come around in sufficient numbers that the CRA could have passed without politically damaging the party that passed it. MLK’s Letter from a Birmingham Jail is an eloquent rejection of that strategy, which was tried for 100 years and produced no significant results. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4073 "2025-03-06T23:44:05Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > So it looks like the lesson to be drawn is that the Democrats should have either passed the CRA much earlier (since their timidity did them no favors, but merely delayed progress) or not at all. Which Civil Rights Act? _The Civil Rights Act of 1866_ _Enforcement Acts of 1870-1871_ _Civil Rights Act of 1875_ _Civil Rights Act of 1957_ _Civil Rights Act of 1960_ _Civil Rights Act of 1964_ _Civil Rights Act of 1968_ > **[Civil Rights Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act)** > > Civil Rights Act may refer to several civil right acts in the United States. These acts of the United States Congress are meant to protect rights to ensure individuals' freedom from infringement by governments, social organizations, and private individuals. > The first wave of civil rights acts were passed during the Reconstruction era after the American Civil War. The Civil Rights Act of 1866 extends the rights of emancipated slaves by stating that any person born in the United States regardles... ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4074 "2025-03-06T23:46:27Z")
I’ve never heard anyone using that phrase to refer to any Act but the 1964 one. Could you please try to explain what point you were trying to make? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4075 "2025-03-06T23:47:29Z")
The point is that people were passing Civil Rights Acts for a long time before 1964. It’s not like it was all just waiting for the political climate to change. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2025, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4076 "2025-03-06T23:57:57Z")
Yup, and given “Democrats paid a massive political price for endorsing civil rights, losing five of the next six Presidential elections, several by massive margins.” maybe folks should learn a little history before they endorse the notion that what the Democrats need to do is go as far left as they can. Because the ignorant and easily manipulated electorate might think we’re as far left as we should be. But what could go wrong with giving the Republicans the Presidency for the next twenty years? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2025, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4077 "2025-03-07T00:19:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The point is that people were passing Civil Rights Acts for a long time before 1964. It’s not like it was all just waiting for the political climate to change. If that’s the point, then it only reinforces what I was saying in the first place - we should be pushing policies because they’re right, not because they’re popular. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > maybe folks should learn a little history before they endorse the notion that what the Democrats need to do is go as far left as they can. History shows that when Democrats try to win by imitating Republicans, they lose, because given the choice between a real Republican and a fake Republican voters will take the real thing every time. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2025, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4078 "2025-03-07T02:53:48Z")
Republicans act like voting is rooting for their favorite football team. It doesn’t matter what crap some of the team members do - they are going to support their team no matter what. Democrats vote like they’re shopping. They’ll only support candidates that match what they believe in, and if the party doesn’t have exactly what they think it should, they’ll just give up. > [@Smapti](#): > > The consequences of not holding Democrats accountable for their inaction are plain to see before us right now … can’t get anything done when it does have power … What do you call the ACA? IMO, the reason that Democrats lost is because they don’t market themselves properly. Biden did accomplish things. But no one heard about it because it didn’t get any fanfare, and the Democrats kept bitching about what wasn’t getting done instead of talking about what was. I only knew that he forced pharmaceutical companies to stop inflating cost for medicine because it was mentioned on a Tumblr post Clinton and Obama were both centrist presidents. The democrats that keep saying that we should go farther left are ignoring the population that don’t have strong political views. And that there are other left leaning Democrats that think that their goal is good, but that other group’s goal is too far. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2025, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4079 "2025-03-07T03:05:10Z")
> [@Zyada](#): > > What do you call the ACA? The consequence of valuing norms and seniority over getting things done. When Lieberman lost the primary in 2006 and ran as an independent the party backed him over their own nominee, and he repaid them by filibustering the public option. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2025, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4080 "2025-03-07T03:48:19Z")
> [@Zyada](#): > > Democrats vote like they’re shopping. They’ll only support candidates that match what they believe in, and if the party doesn’t have exactly what they think it should, they’ll just give up. Other than the circular firing squad, this is essentially another saying about Democrats. Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657.md?page=203) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657.md?page=205)