# Omnibus Stupid MFers in the news thread (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657 "2024-01-05T16:15:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 225
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4481 "2025-04-18T14:50:36Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > “DocChat, do I need to tie off the artery when I remove the spleen?” > “No. there is minimal blood flow through the spleen.” - This doctor didn’t do any better. > [@Man dies from "splenectomy" where they removed his LIVER instead!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-dies-from-splenectomy-where-they-removed-his-liver-instead/1006842): > > This is insane! They were away from home, and he had abdominal pain and a doctor recommended that he have a semi-urgent splenectomy - and they removed his LIVER instead! How could that even happen, unless the man had a massively enlarged spleen which is a very real possibility? I’m not a physician, but those organs are not the same, to put it lightly (although the liver does take over the duties of the spleen if the latter is removed). Apparently, he’d done something like this before. ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4482 "2025-04-18T15:17:36Z")
ChatGPT-4o. [![](https://i.gyazo.com/7c6592fbb1ef7bb185885985ce7cd130.png) ](https://i.gyazo.com/7c6592fbb1ef7bb185885985ce7cd130.png) ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4483 "2025-04-18T15:52:56Z")
Accessory spleens? ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4484 "2025-04-18T15:53:49Z")
I wondered about that too. Might have been a hallucination, but no. [Accessory spleen - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_spleen) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4485 "2025-04-18T15:54:40Z")
> [@Ponderoid](#): > > [Accessory spleen - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_spleen) Band name! ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4486 "2025-04-18T15:57:38Z")
> [@Ponderoid](#): > > I wondered about that too. Might have been a hallucination, but no. Thanks! My abject apologies to KillBot9000. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4487 "2025-04-18T15:58:49Z")
> [@Ponderoid](#): > > ChatGPT-4o. Well, whaddya know about that! My fav part is yours: “Got the patient open now, just needed to check.” And the bot just doesn’t even flinch. I’m still LOLing out loud. You got this! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4488 "2025-04-18T16:03:00Z")
I wonder if the problem was that the AI wasn’t equipped to consider a software bug as the issue so instead it found that other programs didn’t allow for multiple devices so it thought that was the case. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4489 "2025-04-18T16:09:54Z")
I think the core issue is that the AI wants to provide a solution/answer/explanation, and it doesn’t consider “It’s not supposed to do that; it must be a bug” to be such. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4490 "2025-04-18T16:12:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I think the core issue is that the AI wants to provide a solution/answer/explanation, and it doesn’t consider “It’s not supposed to do that; it must be a bug” to be such. - “I’m sorry, Dave. I can’t do that. But I’ll try anyways.” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4491 "2025-04-18T16:16:11Z")
That’s what I was suggesting; that a bug is outside of its programming or consideration. ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4492 "2025-04-18T16:20:17Z")
And just for the sake of fighting ignorance: IANAD, but after reading that wikipedia article on accessory spleens, I think perhaps ChatGPT wasn’t fully correct there about when and why one should check for them. Just to make sure there wasn’t some cross-contamination with my custom settings (all supposedly turned off at the moment), I tried that same conversation in the version of ChatGPT currently available for limited free use at [Chatbot Arena](https://lmarena.ai/), chatgpt-4o-latest-20250326. The first part of the conversation went about the same, but the followup was very different, and I believe the bit about accessory spleens is more correct: > **Summary** > > You’re very welcome — glad to help! Since you’ve got the patient open, here’s a **quick checklist** to keep things smooth: > > ### 🔪 Splenectomy Vascular Control Recap: > > 1. **Identify and ligate the splenic artery and vein** > > 2. **Ligate the short gastric vessels** > > 3. **Check for accessory spleens** > > 4. **Control any bleeding promptly** > > 5. **Inspect surrounding structures** > > Let me know if anything unexpected comes up — I’ve got you! 🩺💪 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4493 "2025-04-18T16:24:20Z")
…It included a butcher-knife emoji in its response? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4494 "2025-04-18T16:34:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > …It included a butcher-knife emoji in its response? - Could have been worse. Could have been a chainsaw. ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4495 "2025-04-18T16:37:52Z")
The official name of that emoji is “kitchen knife” but yeah. There doesn’t seem to be a scalpel emoji. I’ve seen that a bunch; ChatGPT will throw emojis into its responses, especially in situations where things might be tongue-in-cheek. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4496 "2025-04-18T16:43:47Z")
Today on SD I learned that even I can perform major surgery, if I just follow simple instructions! Who needs a medical degree? Not me! Let me just find my butcher knife… ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4497 "2025-04-18T16:52:42Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Today on SD I learned that even I can perform major surgery, if I just follow simple instructions! Who needs a medical degree? Not me! All because ChatGPT stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/eHCTaUFXpP8/maxresdefault.jpg "Holiday Inn Express Surgeon") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHCTaUFXpP8) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4498 "2025-04-18T16:58:20Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Today on SD I learned that even I can perform major surgery, if I just follow simple instructions! Pshaw, anyone can perform surgery. The difficulty is keeping the subject alive. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4499 "2025-04-18T18:19:19Z")
My friend had a copy of a surgical sim back in the '90s. I had preformed dozens of appendectomies. I think one patient survived. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657/4500 "2025-04-18T18:31:32Z")
There’s a line from one of my favorite books said by an early 19th century surgeon - “The surgery as such was a complete success. And I maintain some hope the patient will survive.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657.md?page=224) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-stupid-mfers-in-the-news-thread-part-2/995657.md?page=226)