# Omnibus Trolls R Us Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 23, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489 "2016-05-23T21:38:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 154
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3061 "2017-07-23T16:48:17Z")
Flyer [continues to plumb the depths of idiocy.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831734) ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3062 "2017-07-23T16:54:35Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Flyer [continues to plumb the depths of idiocy.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831734) Idiocy: so much deeper than we thought. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3063 "2017-07-23T17:18:40Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > If you made a post to GQ asking about the best fertilizer for your lawn, SamuelA would say that the best solution is to upload your brain and run a “green grass” simulation. The guy is a crackpot. Nonsense! **SamuelA** would say that the best way to fertilize your lawn is to deploy billions of self-replicating nanobots who would apply custom treatments to each individual blade of grass. There would be a parenthetical note that we already know how to do this today! I notice that self-replicating machines figure in several of his screeds as the obvious solution to many of life’s problems. Also, if you happen to develop a terminal illness go and get yourself frozen right away. **SamuelA** begs to differ with actual medical science and assures us that science will be able to reanimate all these corpses. I was reading an account of one of the cryogenics places that will freeze you for a fee; turns out, since most people can’t afford full-body preservation, the more common technique is to separate the head and just freeze that. So we can look forward to a future filled not only with reanimated zombies, but with numerous severed heads in jars, newly reanimated and staring bleakly out at the world – or possibly removed from their jars and perched on a stick. I imagine the heads on sticks would be carried around by self-replicating machines. I don’t understand why you think this guy is a crackpot. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3064 "2017-07-23T17:29:21Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Nonsense! **SamuelA** would say that the best way to fertilize your lawn is to deploy billions of self-replicating nanobots who would apply custom treatments to each individual blade of grass. There would be a parenthetical note that we already know how to do this today! I notice that self-replicating machines figure in several of his screeds as the obvious solution to many of life’s problems. > > Also, if you happen to develop a terminal illness go and get yourself frozen right away. **SamuelA** begs to differ with actual medical science and assures us that science will be able to reanimate all these corpses. I was reading an account of one of the cryogenics places that will freeze you for a fee; turns out, since most people can’t afford full-body preservation, the more common technique is to separate the head and just freeze that. So we can look forward to a future filled not only with reanimated zombies, but with numerous severed heads in jars, newly reanimated and staring bleakly out at the world – or possibly removed from their jars and perched on a stick. I imagine the heads on sticks would be carried around by self-replicating machines. > > I don’t understand why you think this guy is a crackpot. 😉 So, basically, we’ll all be living in Futurama. :D. ---
**Author:** ![Philliam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/philliam/32/3011_2.png) [@Philliam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philliam)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3065 "2017-07-23T18:31:24Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > So, basically, we’ll all be living in Futurama. :D. Yay! Dibs on Turanga Leela. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3066 "2017-07-23T18:54:47Z")
> [@Philliam](#): > > Yay! Dibs on Turanga Leela. Pretty sure Fry already has dibs. But you could always have a Leela clone. The problem is she’d have to be raised in the sewers. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3067 "2017-07-23T18:57:08Z")
Or download a copy from Kidnapster. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3068 "2017-07-23T19:00:31Z")
And, of course Leela wasn’t raised in the sewers–she was left as an infant at the door of an orphanarium. And you call yourself a Futurama fan! ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3069 "2017-07-23T19:32:51Z")
Yup. And she had thought she was an alien until she learned her parents were from the sewers and had left her at the orphanarium. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3070 "2017-07-23T22:12:44Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > And, of course Leela wasn’t raised in the sewers–she was left as an infant at the door of an orphanarium. And you call yourself a Futurama fan! I meant born in the sewers. I’m saying she would have to be cloned but then also mutated properly. Thought experiment: Would a Leela clone necessarily mutate the exact same way? Perhaps there is no one so unique. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3071 "2017-07-24T03:49:46Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I meant born in the sewers. I’m saying she would have to be cloned but then also mutated properly. > > Thought experiment: Would a Leela clone necessarily mutate the exact same way? Perhaps there is no one so unique. Nah. If she’s already mutated, then any clone will have the same mutation. A mutation is a change in genes, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3072 "2017-07-24T05:23:26Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Nah. If she’s already mutated, then any clone will have the same mutation. A mutation is a change in genes, after all. If we’re _really_ doing genetics here, then - not necessarily. If her phenotype is attributable to a germline mutation (inherited from her parents, or arising _de novo_ at a very early stage in development) then it would be present in all cells, and a clone would be identical to her (except for differences attributable to environment). But if the mutation occurred _de novo_ in Leela at a later stage of development as a somatic mutation then it would only be present in some of her cells. In that case, it might be extremely difficult to make clone with the same phenotype as Leela, because a clone would either carry that mutation in _all_ of its cells or in _none_ of its cells, depending on the source of the genetic material. And Leela’s phenotype might only arise when the mutation is present in the same subset of cells as Leela. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3073 "2017-07-24T05:29:55Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I meant born in the sewers. I’m saying she would have to be cloned but then also mutated properly. She was born mutated and her most obvious mutation - the single eye - is one she shares with her parents. Her less initially obvious mutation (purple hair) and further mutation in season 8 (tentacleism) are related to her mother, grandmother and great grandmother’s. (Though GM and GGM both had 3 eyes…but that’s another sign of the mutations being inherited, just one swamped by something from her grampa.) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3074 "2017-07-24T08:23:59Z")
The genetics of _Futurama_. Well, I guess it’s better than recipes. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3075 "2017-07-24T10:54:57Z")
Since when did this thread become all about teenage mutant Leela’s hurdles? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3076 "2017-07-24T12:18:59Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Since when did this thread become all about teenage mutant Leela’s hurdles? FTW. Can we please treat this as my failure to understand genetics rather than my failure to understand _Futurama_? I have a reputation to uphold. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3077 "2017-07-24T14:43:13Z")
Your explanations are pure weapons grade balonium. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3078 "2017-07-24T15:00:14Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > FTW. > > Can we please treat this as my failure to understand genetics rather than my failure to understand _Futurama_? I have a reputation to uphold. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3079 "2017-07-25T00:50:41Z")
I feel I must help celebrate the fact that **watchwolf49** has graced us once again with important insights on climate change, much as he graces us with important insights on many other topics. It must be said here that **watchwolf** is cast in quite a different mold than, say, someone like **doorhinge**. The latter is just a dumbass denialist who knows nothing except that Fox News tells him the conclusions of climate science are Bad for Business™. OTOH **watchwolf** sometimes seems to know _ **some** _ things, yet the things he claims to know are always distorted by fundamental other-worldly misconceptions, as if he had just arrived here from some alternate universe. It’s kind of hard to explain and it usually makes my head hurt to try. But here, let us explore the world of **watchwolf49**. There’s an amusing exchange in the recent thread in question in which **Budget Player Cadet** [says this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20365121&postcount=6) to **watchwolf** : Your argument is an incoherent non-sequitur banking on a misunderstanding of a lot of different issues. To which **Stranger on a Train** [replies, quite correctly](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20365198&postcount=9): A statement that could be applied to nearly any posting by the individual in question. IOW, what else is new? 😃 It reminds me of a similar thread in which **watchwolf** ’s [cluelessness is on full display](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18653790&postcount=87). The thread is memorable for how he lectures everyone about climate forcing but clearly has no idea what it actually is – it’s really quite a remarkable thread. That particular display of ignorance begins [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18655703&postcount=100). Then more cluelessness is revealed [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18656428&postcount=103). And becomes totally exasperating [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18660883&postcount=124). [By this point](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18661481&postcount=126), I’m pretty much ready to give up. [Over here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18663633&postcount=136), **tomndebb** – who calls things as he sees them with refreshing candor – tells **watchwolf49** what’s what, in terms that have now become very familiar when critiquing **watchwolf** ’s pontifications: This level of demonstrable ignorance is appalling. Just wanted to get that off my chest, but my head still hurts just from thinking about these exchanges. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/3080 "2017-07-25T01:05:23Z")
Is he your evil twin or something, **w.p.**? I swear the times I’ve seen the two of you going back and forth, in an AGW thread or elsewhere… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489.md?page=153) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489.md?page=155)