# Omnibus Trolls R Us Thread

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [May 23, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489 "2016-05-23T21:38:14Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9104 "2019-01-16T18:41:06Z")

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> [@Riemann](#):
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> You really think that’s a _simple_ judgment call? When the mod might personally find those views annoying or even abhorrent? I think it’s extremely difficult for the mods to make that call fairly and objectively …

It is, though. It is easier than you think. A post may for all the world look like trollery, but if no one bites on it and no one reports it, we just see the tree lying on the forest floor. Mod are sometimes very reactive to a post or posts, but if no one else gets het up over it, they might just ignore it. Because, trolling means nothing if the troll does not get fed.

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**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9105 "2019-01-16T18:47:33Z")

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> [@eschereal](#):
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> It is, though. It is easier than you think. A post may for all the world look like trollery, but if no one bites on it and no one reports it, we just see the tree lying on the forest floor. Mod are sometimes very reactive to a post or posts, but if no one else gets het up over it, they might just ignore it. Because, trolling means nothing if the troll does not get fed.

If this is easy, why did so many in the West who traditionally advocate free speech and the free exchange of ideas panic and reach completely the _wrong_ view on Charlie Hebdo, just because a whole lot of people said “we don’t like this”?

Why have so many on the left in the U.S. lost their way on upholding the principles of free speech?

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**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9106 "2019-01-16T18:51:28Z")

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> [@Riemann](#):
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> If this is easy, why did so many in the West who traditionally advocate free speech and the free exchange of ideas panic and reach completely the _wrong_ view on Charlie Hebdo, just because a whole lot of people said “we don’t like this”?

That’s what happens when you mix a puritanical foundation with an intellectual ideal.

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**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9107 "2019-01-16T18:57:44Z")

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> [@eschereal](#):
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> It is, though. It is easier than you think. A post may for all the world look like trollery, but if no one bites on it and no one reports it, we just see the tree lying on the forest floor. Mod are sometimes very reactive to a post or posts, but if no one else gets het up over it, they might just ignore it. Because, trolling means nothing if the troll does not get fed.

Ah, it is simple! Just DNFTT! Why hasn’t anyone thought of this? I’m sure with such an easy solution, the board’s trolling problem will be gone tomorrow. You get right on the simple process of getting everyone to stop responding, and I’ll kick back and enjoy the bliss.

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**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9108 "2019-01-16T19:03:42Z")

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> [@VinylTurnip](#):
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> “App! App app! App!”
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> I’ve drop-kicked a Pomeranian for less.

Two more threads about the app–at what point does this become Harrisment?

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**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9109 "2019-01-16T19:04:33Z")

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> [@eschereal](#):
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> It is, though. It is easier than you think. A post may for all the world look like trollery, but if no one bites on it and no one reports it, we just see the tree lying on the forest floor. Mod are sometimes very reactive to a post or posts, but if no one else gets het up over it, they might just ignore it. Because, trolling means nothing if the troll does not get fed.

…although of course I should have said I agree with you. It’s far more effective to ignore potential provocation than to make a fuss over it and try to get it suppressed.

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**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9110 "2019-01-16T19:10:44Z")

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Effective, yes. Simple as a concept, yes. Simple to put into practice? An emphatic no.

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**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9111 "2019-01-16T19:14:29Z")

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> [@Darren\_Garrison](#):
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> Two more threads about the app–at what point does this become Harrisment?

Booooooo 😛

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**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9112 "2019-01-16T19:16:00Z")

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[**Chunkylord** is no longer among us](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21434105).

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**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9113 "2019-01-16T19:29:38Z")

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> [@Darren\_Garrison](#):
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> Two more threads about the app–at what point does this become Harrisment?

Or samming, at the very least.

Maybe a future **Creamylord** will find his ideas more easily spread.

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**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9114 "2019-01-16T19:31:39Z")

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> [@Sunny\_Daze](#):
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> [**Chunkylord** is no longer among us](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21434105).

And now cornfielded.

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**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9115 "2019-01-16T19:34:00Z")

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> [@Darren\_Garrison](#):
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> And now cornfielded.

Dammit, I really felt that all our hard work taking the piss should have been recorded for posterity.

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**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9116 "2019-01-16T19:55:16Z")

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> [@Darren\_Garrison](#):
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> Looks like his ability to keep threads open has _not_ increased infinitely.

And he’s banned

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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9117 "2019-01-16T20:08:12Z")

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You might even say he was nipped in the Buddh.

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9118 "2019-01-16T20:10:24Z")

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> [@Riemann](#):
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> You’re arguing that implementing the principles of free speech is “simple” by making the usual error of considering only ideas you disagree with.

Again, I meant that not wanting to be seen as a troll is “simple”. I was not referring to any implementation.

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9119 "2019-01-16T20:13:04Z")

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> [@Riemann](#):
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> ETA: By contrast, I think (say) Will Farnaby and Huey Freeman both have some fucked up ideas. But I don’t think anyone can say conclusively that they are not sincere.

Same with the forcibly departed **Clothahump** , who was okay when not posting about politics. Being entertained by deliberately pissing people off tripped him up.

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**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9120 "2019-01-16T20:18:36Z")

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> [@Skywatcher](#):
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> Same with the forcibly departed **Clothahump** , who was okay when not posting about politics. Being entertained by deliberately pissing people off tripped him up.

And I’m not arguing that either of those two should be immune from future banning. Just that we should be more circumspect about silencing them when they may at least to be sincere.

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9121 "2019-01-16T20:21:44Z")

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What part of “a sincere troll is still a troll” do you not get? If one is unable to be sincere without being inflammatory, then one is likely trolling.

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**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9122 "2019-01-16T20:22:22Z")

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> [@eschereal](#):
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> It is, though. It is easier than you think. A post may for all the world look like trollery, but if no one bites on it and no one reports it, we just see the tree lying on the forest floor. Mod are sometimes very reactive to a post or posts, but if no one else gets het up over it, they might just ignore it. Because, trolling means nothing if the troll does not get fed.

I’ve been thinking about this- but remember all those recent complaints about board toxicity? About how people saying bigoted things and no one getting het up over it, about how people are leaving because people aren’t protesting the jerks enough?

How do you say “This is not acceptable here” without feeding the troll?

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**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9123 "2019-01-16T20:33:06Z")

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> [@Darren\_Garrison](#):
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> And now cornfielded.

Mega-cornfielded, I can’t find any trace of the guy

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