# Omnibus Trolls R Us Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 23, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489 "2016-05-23T21:38:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 497
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9931 "2019-07-27T20:53:29Z")
[Nope, nobody on the left uses the word “unhinged.”](https://www.rawstory.com/?s=unhinged) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9932 "2019-07-27T20:59:18Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [Nope, nobody on the left uses the word “unhinged.”](https://www.rawstory.com/?s=unhinged) A bit of a reading comprehension issue there, Darren? > [@](#): > > Oh, and don’t call people **on the left** ‘unhinged’ and then claim to be a Liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9933 "2019-07-27T21:05:29Z")
So you must agree with everything everyone on your side says? Liberalism, love it or leave it? If you aren’t with us you are against us? There are people on the left that are unhinged. There are people on the left that are crackpots. There are people on the left that are nitwits. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9934 "2019-07-27T22:00:39Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > So you must agree with everything everyone on your side says? Liberalism, love it or leave it? If you aren’t with us you are against us? There are people on the left that are unhinged. There are people on the left that are crackpots. There are people on the left that are nitwits. True enough. But if you, like that other clown, want to rail about how “unhinged” everyone who thought poorly of Smirky McLawsuit is, then I have reason to doubt that you’re actually a liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9935 "2019-07-27T22:10:23Z")
I haven’t said a thing about the lawsuit, just [the initial kneejerk lynchmob](https://reason.com/2019/01/22/nick-sandmann-covington-catholic-racism/). ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9936 "2019-07-28T02:59:18Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > True enough. > > But if you, like that other clown, want to rail about how “unhinged” everyone who thought poorly of Smirky McLawsuit is, then I have reason to doubt that you’re actually a liberal. Why, because they can fathom using their mental faculties outside of ‘groupthink’? Liberals are decent in many cases, but that reaction is bandwagon progressive nonsense. People quite literally wanted to kill this kid because of his hat and facial expression. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9937 "2019-07-28T03:04:23Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > So you must agree with everything everyone on your side says? Liberalism, love it or leave it? If you aren’t with us you are against us? There are people on the left that are unhinged. There are people on the left that are crackpots. There are people on the left that are nitwits. Same thing with my side of the aisle. I’m guilty as hell of partisanship too so that statement is hypocritical at first glance. Many of us actually know better than to judge all liberals for the actions of a few. If only that sentiment was reciprocated. It never is. Ever. Thanks for thinking for yourself, Darren. Hard to find here. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9938 "2019-07-28T03:07:01Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Why, because they can fathom using their mental faculties outside of ‘groupthink’? Oh that term again. People on the right, while ignoring their own groupthink pushed by Fox News and other media, tend to ascribe this term to others who share positions they don’t like. As in “oh, you don’t really think that, like us, you’ve only been taught to think that”. > [@](#): > > People quite literally wanted to kill this kid because of his hat and facial expression. And did they do so? Did they advocate for such in any legitimate media? Were there liberal opinion pieces and media statements calling for his death? Is there some poll of which I am unaware that shows that any significant number of people wanted him killed for wearing that hat, or is that just another right wing media claim? Or maybe in itself is that extreme hyperbole and finger pointing? Using that claim as an excuse for violent thought and words against Democrats? “But see? You’re the really violent ones, so that justifies all of our violent threats and actions!” Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9939 "2019-07-28T03:09:36Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Same thing with my side of the aisle. > > I’m guilty as hell of partisanship too so that statement is hypocritical at first glance. > > Many of us actually know better than to judge all liberals for the actions of a few. If only that sentiment was reciprocated. It never is. Ever. > > Thanks for thinking for yourself, Darren. > > Hard to find here. Yes it is. The mentally ill here have succeeded in making this site almost a pure example of group think or hive mind that one could find. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9940 "2019-07-28T03:22:56Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Oh that term again. People on the right, while ignoring their own groupthink pushed by Fox News and other media, tend to ascribe this term to others who share positions they don’t like. As in “oh, you don’t really think that, like us, you’ve only been taught to think that”. > > And did they do so? Did they advocate for such in any legitimate media? Were there liberal opinion pieces and media statements calling for his death? Is there some poll of which I am unaware that shows that any significant number of people wanted him killed for wearing that hat, or is that just another right wing media claim? > > Or maybe in itself is that extreme hyperbole and finger pointing? Using that claim as an excuse for violent thought and words against Democrats? > > “But see? You’re the really violent ones, so that justifies all of our violent threats and actions!” > > Bullshit. Never even touched on any of that here. You’re reaching here. Ever used Twitter, Facebook or other _media_. Did you have eyesight at the time this happened. There you go. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9941 "2019-07-28T03:29:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yes it is. The mentally ill here have succeeded in making this site almost a pure example of group think or hive mind that one could find. It’s actually fascinating in some sick way. Because of the configuration of his damn head he had to go through so much shit. Not to mention being defamed and called a bigot, for a smirk. Then the hyperbole about Nazi’s and KKK hoods… It’s exhausting. It’s like the words “racist” and “nazi” are being used so casually that it’s like ordering a cup of coffee. (Don’t order it “black”!!) The insults have lost all meaning to those us who are just annoyed and exhausted. I yearn for a another godwin about using the term racist. If someone calls somebody it, they automatically lose the argument. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9942 "2019-07-28T03:50:21Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > I yearn for a another godwin about using the term racist. If someone calls somebody it, they automatically lose the argument. More hyperbole. Real adults don’t fret hard about unwarranted insults from random strangers. When I was a security guard, I regularly got called a racist by people who were being ejected from venues for being shit heads. I didn’t take it to heart, I didn’t rant about it to my friends, I didn’t engage in hyperbole about people who throw around the term. I certainly never threatened or implied that violence would occur if they didn’t stop calling me that. You people are such whiny little fucks. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9943 "2019-07-28T04:04:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Now I’m the “worst evil” covfefe has ever “faced down” (worse than Trump, no less!). A peculiar use of the term “faced down”, which typically means something like “to prevail against an opponent by stalwartly confronting them”, on the part of somebody who’s actually leaving the boards because he doesn’t like **you** confronting **him**. He sounds a little mixed up about who “faced down” whom here. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9944 "2019-07-28T04:10:43Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > More hyperbole. Also, while I’m being the Usage Nazi _(oh no! the bad word!!)_ around here, I’ll just note that **anomalous1** is mistaken about the actual nature of Godwin’s Law. It doesn’t mean that whoever uses the term “Nazi” “automatically loses the argument”: it just means that Nazi comparisons become increasingly more likely as online arguments continue. Even [Godwin himself maintained that some Nazi comparisons are valid and relevant,](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/08/14/the-creator-of-godwins-law-explains-why-some-nazi-comparisons-dont-break-his-famous-internet-rule/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5b3e860f6e26) even in online arguments. There is never going to be a time when it becomes truly meaningless to accuse somebody of being racist, because so many racist shitweasels are going to go on being genuinely racist, and we’ll always need a word to describe that. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9945 "2019-07-28T04:14:39Z")
Exactly. He’s a fucking moron in addition to advocating violence against people who call him names. \*\*Godwin’s Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1. \*\* Nothing about anyone automatically losing an argument. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9946 "2019-07-28T04:23:03Z")
Bunch o’ Godwin Nazis in here! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9947 "2019-07-28T04:30:22Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Exactly. He’s a fucking moron in addition to advocating violence against people who call him names. > > \*\*Godwin’s Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1. > \*\* > Nothing about anyone automatically losing an argument. Way back during my early years as a Doper, ISTR reading a corollary to Godwin’s Law that suggested that loss of the argument was the penalty for being the first one to mention Hitler. [It was what made this xkcd funny.](https://xkcd.com/261/) That said, yes, Godwin’s Law emplaced no such penalty. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9948 "2019-07-28T14:05:48Z")
My reading of LBJ was that he was a racist. In the sense that he was never actually comfortable with black Americans. Difference being, I think, that he acknowledged it in himself and struggled to set it aside, to advocate and work for an equality he could never entirely share. In my estimation, that counts, that matters. (I am aware that not all historians or other students of the man agree with my assessment.) Trump is a racist who does _not_ believe it, when he says he doesn’t have a racist bone in his body, he thinks it is true. A _rich_ black American is equal, so far as he is concerned. He does not struggle with it because he thinks he doesn’t have to, he has no such obligation. He thinks white people _should_ call him “sir” because he is, clearly, their superior. Notice how often the relates ordinary Americans engaging him in conversation and addressing him as “sir”. (He meets these ordinary Americans same way the rest of us do, at the grocery store, the gas station, the PTA meeting, etc.) Are any of us, of any stripe or conviction, entirely innocent of racism? That question is over my pay grade. Had to guess, I’d think _somebody_ must, there are millions of us, after all. But the point is not where we start, but where we go. Are we trying to do something about it, like LBJ, or according ourselves unearned virtue, like Trump? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9949 "2019-07-28T15:38:59Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Why, because they can fathom using their mental faculties outside of ‘groupthink’? > > Liberals are decent in many cases, but that reaction is bandwagon progressive nonsense. > > People quite literally wanted to kill this kid because of his hat and facial expression. Pretty funny repeating stale and overused right wing talking points to try to accuse your opponent of groupthink. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/9950 "2019-07-28T15:41:19Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Same thing with my side of the aisle. > > I’m guilty as hell of partisanship too so that statement is hypocritical at first glance. > > Many of us actually know better than to judge all liberals for the actions of a few. If only that sentiment was reciprocated. It never is. Ever. > > Thanks for thinking for yourself, Darren. > > Hard to find here. As that “few” are those legislators that are elected by your “side”, and their actions are that of passing legislation that affects all of us, then judging your “side” based on that seems far fairer than your tendency to judge liberals by what someone said on a blog somewhere. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489.md?page=496) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489.md?page=498)